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vivster said:

It's not all about the result. It's how you play.

Germany dominated every game(except that first half against Algeria). If you play that controlled, victory is a question of time and not just luck.

Argentina however hardly controlled any game they were in. Their attack was flimsy and their defense competent but more due to their tactic rather than their skill.

That's why the media and anyone who watched the world cup sees Germany as the favorite. It might not mean that they actually win but they've presented themselves accordingly in this tournament to have earned the title of favorite.

Ghana had 20 or so shots but they couldn't get but half on target.

The France game, France had more shots and the possession was exactly 50-50.

Germany did dominate most of their games and they are no doubts favorites in this match. 

 

This game is going to be one of those where to whoever scores first will go on to win it.

If Germany score first, it's all but over to me. Argentina haven't been down all tournament.

No one knows to how they would react down a goal, and I don't think they would get one back.

 

A team with Messi, all it takes is one good ball to him and he can punish any team in the world, And with how well orgainzed Argentina has been that could be all it takes to win it. He knows in the back of his mind this game today will be a huge part in his legacy. He is already considered one of the greats but if Argentina pulled this off today it would be similar to what Maradona did in 1986.

If Di Maria was more healthy I would fancy Argentina's chances allot more, he is a player that can cause problems and you can see how they miss him easily..Messi isn't getting near as enough service without him. I still don't know if he is fit for the game today but it looks doubtful. 

I would love to see Messi get this moment today in his career, this is going to be his best chance but Germany also have their trophy drought and want it just as much as him, But I have Germany winning 1-0 and I think that is how it will turn out today for whoever wins.. or I could see a 1-1 with extra time.



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weaveworld said:

Wow, you really got some hopes and dreams there...

Losing in quarter finals every single time means you're no better than that. When the premiership finally puts a ban on non-native players, then, only just then, England might grow to become one of the best tournament teams around. Untill then, keep enjoying the imported working class heroes on tournaments, playing for any team but the English.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them top for once, but the amount of foreigners in your competition is holding English talent back, way back.

At least your clubteams are the most supported in the world.


I wasnt showing hopes and dreams, I was explaining what happened.

Quarter finals have been our "limit" really since 96. We always seem to fall just that little bit short, usually in penalty shootouts which mean nothing when it comes to the quality of the team in general. Losing to Portugal twice in penalties and Italy in penalties. We were more than capable of reaching semi finals or even finals in those tournaments where we lost on penalties, and in 2002 I think if we went up against any other team we would have progressed too.

While I do have high hopes for our future with our younger players coming through, Im not having high hopes to the point where I think we can win tournaments. I will be happy with Quarters as long as we give it a good go and deserve to be there.



                            

As for tonights game.

Germany 3-1 Argentina



                            

I'll root for Argentina, but I wont lose any sleep if Germany wins, I like both of them.



Ka-pi96 said:
weaveworld said:

Wow, you really got some hopes and dreams there...

Losing in quarter finals every single time means you're no better than that. When the premiership finally puts a ban on non-native players, then, only just then, England might grow to become one of the best tournament teams around. Untill then, keep enjoying the imported working class heroes on tournaments, playing for any team but the English.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see them top for once, but the amount of foreigners in your competition is holding English talent back, way back.

At least your clubteams are the most supported in the world.

Firstly that's not possible as it is illegal based on EU law, would probably get shot down by the Court of Human Rights as well so...

Secondly foreign players in the premier league isn't what makes England crap. They are crap mostly because they have inadequate coaching at youth level. English players being so overhyped doesn't help either, it makes them so much more expensive than buying foreign players so they are a much greater risk to buy, this could be reduced by forcing all contracts to have a min release fee like they do in Spain.

Thirdly English players only playing in the premier league also contributes to making the England team poor. If more players were to go abroard and play in the French, German, Spanish, Italian leagues they would be better players. Look at all the top countries, they have players that have went abroard and both those players and the national team have benefited from it.


Tell me something i don't know. Just stating why the English team just hasn't become as good as they should have. You say it's bad training... and why is that so? Maybe because clubs tend to buy themself good players abroad instead of training them themselves? Premiership is ruined by it's own succes. 

Now let's take Feyenoord and Holland for example. Feyenoord, most bankrupt, had to use all of their own youth players for years and see what happened...? Just from the top of my head there are like 7 players from the Dutch squad who came from/are playing for Feyenoord (rotterdam).



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Germany 3 - 1 Argentina



DakonBlackblade said:

In all fairness Netherlands shouldve won on 1974 but the fault for not winning is entirely on the players. Its well documented that they went to party and celebrating like if they ahd won the world cup before the final match took place, wich evidently didnt do them any good. The team was vastly superior to any other team that World Cup, if they had kept theyre head in the game the whole way Netherlands would have 1 star. In 1978 the team was good but wasnt that good anymore and 2010 Spain was the better team.

Ps: wth does the Dallas Cowboys power rankings have to do with the Wold Cup ?


Bullshit. In 1974 Poland had by far the best team. Netherlands wouldn't stand a chance. How can you even claim that they were the best if there were two teams with a better record? Germany and Poland both had 6 wins and 1 loss in the tournament, Dutch were 5-1-1. This was the Polish team what won the Olympic gold medal just two years earlier and in the tournament took down Sweden, which you could only draw against. If it wasn't for that bloody waterball game with the Germans (and Sepp Maier - German goalkeeper - having the game of his life), we'd easily have the star from 1974...

 

As for today. I think Germany is the better team and plays much better football, definately more pleasing to the eye. But Argentina reminds me of old Germany or Greece from the legendary Euro - a team that forces the opponent to play its shitty football. They play bad, but drag you down and force you to play their football and not yours. And the moment you play their crappy football, they beat you with their experience at playing shitty football. That's exactly what they did in the semifinals to Netherlands and the Dutch were helpless. We'll see if Germany is dominant enough to overcome this, but I expect their defence to have an extreemely hard time with all these fast and agile Argentinians. Especially since Di Maria is back. I also hope to see more of Enzo Perez, who plays great. Being a Barcelona fan I can't help myself but to support Argentina. It's gonna be a tough game and both teams stand a chance - I hope people here won't make the same mistake again looking down at Argentina, as you did before the semifinal, claiming the Dutch had it in the bag. This is a good and dangerous team, that seems aware of its strenghts and weaknesses and knows what kind of football it wants to play and is capable of executing. That is always very dangerous. So...

Argentyna 2:1 Niemcy

Though I'm not sure if I want to see the World Champion playing such shitty football, especially coming out of such a beautifully offensive tournament.

 

@Brazil - I've never thought I'd live to see the day when the Polish national team plays on the same level as the Brazilian one. In fact, at this point even we would stand a chance against them (we drew with Germany a couple weeks ago... ). Happy days, one childhood dream just came true!



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