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zorg1000 on 27 May 2014
Anfebious said:
think-man said:
Anfebious said:
 

So... Sony lost the generation through bad choices that's okay. But Nintendo didn't win it through good ones? How exactly? Are you implying that Sony's fuck up was the whole reason of the Wii success? I certainly don't agree with that.

No It's more to do with Xbox, the Wii would have sold the same amount but The PS3 would have been more successful against the xbox and maybe put another 30-40 million if it didn't let xbox get ahead. Contrary to what alot of people believe I don't really consider Sony and Nintendo home consoles to really be in battle with one another, they seem to want different markets. Sony and MS though and trying to get the same gamer.

I am pretty sure that if the 360 wouldn't have been created then the PS3 would have done even worse. Imagine the scenario... a $250 console with a new way to play... or a $600 machine that can play "pretty games". I think it was thanks to the 360 that the PS3 didn't sink like the Titanic.

he didnt say anything about 360 not being created, he said if Sony didnt make bad choices. $600 was a bad choice, using the very expensive and difficult Cell was a bad choice. If PS3 was $399 and more developer friendly it would likely have stolen alot of sales from 360.



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zorg1000 on 27 May 2014
Phantom-Lord said:
padib said:
Phantom-Lord said:
padib said:
Sony always wins by default, because that is the popular opinion.

However, as Nintendo has often shown, unless they make big mistakes like overpricing their console (WiiU), they always are the greatest seller of video games. This is especially evident in their portable line, where the price of the console was almost never an obstacle to the enjoyment of their games.

Nintendo is still, by far, the greatest publisher of dedicated console gaming. Take a look at the overall game sales charts, and there you will find your answer.


No, Since sony game along no one has touched them in software and hardware sales....look it up.

I did

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Wii Sports Wii 2006 Sports Nintendo 41.09 28.72 3.77 8.40 81.97
2 Super Mario Bros. NES 1985 Platform Nintendo 29.08 3.58 6.81 0.77 40.24
3 Mario Kart Wii Wii 2008 Racing Nintendo 15.13 12.41 3.73 3.20 34.48
4 Wii Sports Resort Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 15.43 10.75 3.26 2.90 32.34
5 Pokémon Red / Green / Blue Version GB 1996 Role-Playing Nintendo 11.27 8.89 10.22 1.00 31.37
6 Tetris GB 1989 Puzzle Nintendo 23.20 2.26 4.22 0.58 30.26
7 New Super Mario Bros. DS 2006 Platform Nintendo 11.13 8.96 6.49 2.86 29.44
8 Wii Play Wii 2006 Misc Nintendo 13.90 9.14 2.93 2.84 28.80
9 Duck Hunt NES 1984 Shooter Nintendo 26.93 0.63 0.28 0.47 28.31
10 New Super Mario Bros. Wii Wii 2009 Platform Nintendo 13.92 6.62 4.69 2.16 27.39
11 Nintendogs DS 2005 Simulation Nintendo 9.04 10.88 1.93 2.74 24.59
12 Pokémon Gold / Silver Version GB 1999 Role-Playing Nintendo 9.00 6.18 7.20 0.71 23.10
13 Mario Kart DS DS 2005 Racing Nintendo 9.57 7.31 4.12 1.88 22.88
14 Wii Fit Wii 2007 Sports Nintendo 8.92 8.03 3.60 2.14 22.69
15 Wii Fit Plus Wii 2009 Sports Nintendo 8.92 8.27 2.53 1.75 21.48

Sunce sony has come to market....not hard to understand. Sony started in 1995, you fgoing back to duck hunt in the mid 80's try and keep up. Since sony started no one has sold moreconsole by a WIDE margin and Software. Listing nintendo software doesnt change that,

12 of those 15 games released after 1995.......





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Jumpin on 27 May 2014

Nintendo clearly won last generation. with over 250 million Wiis and DSs sold, they were a distant first place.



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zorg1000 on 27 May 2014
marley said:

 

Phantom-Lord said:
padib said:
Phantom-Lord said:

Again your post provea crap, post total WW ssoftware sales since 1995 for sony and nintendo....your post is meaningless. TotAL, meaning all software sales, including third party software..... Who has sold more hardware and software.

You don't know the numbers. Nintendo has been consistently at the top of the publishers list, even during the days of the PS and PS2... Above EA and Take Two, above Ubisoft.

Of course I don't have total WW software, nobody does...

However when the publisher tables were posted on vgcharts, Nintendo was always on top. You just can't know that since you're probably very young.

LOL it is obvious sony has more then double total hardware and software sales since 1995, the N64 and gamecube got rooled by sony as is the wii-u please.

Let's fact check that claim:

PS- 104.25 PS2- 157.68 PS3- 82.79 PSP- 80.78 Vita- 8.23 Total - 433.73
N64- 32.93GC- 21.74Wii- 101GBA- 81.51DS- 154.883DS- 44.50Total – 436.56

 

Yep looks like double to me.....

and thats not counting GB/GBC sales post 95



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 29 May 2014
padib said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DarkRPGamer007 said:
No. Even if Nintendo "fails" this generation I'm sure they'll bring some huge adjustments and cream both companies again.

The Wii was the definition of a fluke. As long as the mobile market exists that market is permanently off limits.

I can accept that the Playstation earned its success, but why must everyone refuse to accept Nintendo's deservance of its performance in gen 7?

1. Because it does not follow the trend

2. Because its not reproducable

If not for the Casual Boost, all things considered, The Wii might have still sold a lot in the beginning but because its support died of 2 years earlier then the other 's in the gen it might already be surpassed now



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fleischr on 29 May 2014
padib said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

1. Because it does not follow the trend

2. Because its not reproducable

If not for the Casual Boost, all things considered, The Wii might have still sold a lot in the beginning but because its support died of 2 years earlier then the other 's in the gen it might already be surpassed now

1. The iPad didn't follow the trend either, and sold wildly.

2. We don't know that.

Apple wins the generation!

Though in all seriousness, the honors go to Nintendo on this one.

Not sure what the PS3 really has won. It's still behind the 360 last I checked. It tried to copy the Wii, but failed.



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Soundwave on 29 May 2014
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
padib said:
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
DarkRPGamer007 said:
No. Even if Nintendo "fails" this generation I'm sure they'll bring some huge adjustments and cream both companies again.

The Wii was the definition of a fluke. As long as the mobile market exists that market is permanently off limits.

I can accept that the Playstation earned its success, but why must everyone refuse to accept Nintendo's deservance of its performance in gen 7?

1. Because it does not follow the trend

2. Because its not reproducable

If not for the Casual Boost, all things considered, The Wii might have still sold a lot in the beginning but because its support died of 2 years earlier then the other 's in the gen it might already be surpassed now

I think you're spot on. 



xl-klaudkil on 29 May 2014

Simple answer Noo.



 

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Soundwave on 30 May 2014
padib said:
Soundwave said:

I think you're spot on. 

You're both dead wrong.

There's no basis to the claim, just wild guessing. Nintendo consistently sold well to the portable market. They failed on the U due to a hicked price and a dire lack of games. But people will use the U as a pretext that the Nintendo market is fickle.

We see the wheel turn round and round.


When this generation is done, Sony will have routed Nintendo in 3 out of 4 consecutive home console generations. 

And even in the one generation Nintendo "won", which required a miracle novelty to pull off, Sony may actually end up selling more PS3s than Wiis when all is said and done. 

"Lack of games" for Nintendo is actually apt, but what Nintendo fans never want to admit is that's from a lack of third party support. Nintendo never makes the console that third parties want, they always try to be cute and do it their way and end up paying the price for being stubborn. Mario/Zelda/Mario Kart/Smash do not appeal to enough people to win a console generation on their own. 

They won't even get the Wii U to 20 million. The differeniator for the first Wii was the casual Wii Sports/Fit crazes, but the above poster is correct, Nintendo is unable to repeat their success with that crowd now that there is a much more attractive gaming medium availble to give that type of audience their daily/weekly gaming fix -- smartphones/tablets. So that avenue has been cut off for Nintendo, now they're back to their usual GameCube like sales (worse actually).

If you're Sony it's very easy to beat up on Nintendo in the console business: 1.) Just sit back, wait for Nintendo to make some silly, arbitrarily strange decisions with their console 2.) make your own console with straight forward design decisions that the majority of the dev community backs 3.) beat up on Nintendo for the next 5-6 years. Nintendo is easy pickings for Sony, they always shoot themselves in the foot a couple of times with at least 2-3 stupid, completely unforced decisions each generation. 



DonFerrari on 30 May 2014

Evidence for Nintendo being capable for selling home consoles only with the 1st party is the Fluke and handhelds, excellent... let's just ignore N64 (where Sony was a newcomer and Sega was lost in HW nightmare) and GC (where are our fans) or even WiiU (the worst selling curve of any Nintendo HW besides the real floppy virtual boy, that also doesn't count as Nintendo not able to sell alone)... so we keep at Wii, that fell from the skycrapper after 3 years in the sky and handhelds that unfortunately are contracting.



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