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Mr Khan said:
Only in the sense that their competitors are fairly incompetent in how they conduct themselves. PS1 wouldn't have gotten off the ground if Sega hadn't flopped into the 5th generation with the grace of a dying fish and/or Nintendo had embraced CDs. If one or both of Sega or Nintendo had run themselves properly, Sony would have been a big also-ran.

This serendipity continued into the PS2 generation, where Sony's only real threat was the Dreamcast due to production delays in the GameCube and the Xbox's general late arrival. Microsoft can be excused to an extent because of their first round entry, but Nintendo really dropped the ball on getting the GameCube out on time and with proper support (stories from the era reveal that they were very slow and uncaring about getting dev kits out to third parties, for instance). Plus there's the whole "purple lunchbox" thing (though at least Nintendo of America got us out of the "StarCube.")

If Sega had been in the position to fight back against the PS2 more aggressively, if Nintendo had been more aggressive about fixing the mistakes of the N64 era (or had just jumped ahead to make the Wii early somehow), or if Microsoft had been smoother about entering the arena, there you go.

The 7th gen demonstrates what happens when Sony's competitors take things seriously: the 360 was much like the PS2 and the PS4 in spirit: meant to be the gamers' console, to give "us" what we want. Microsoft out-Playstation'd the Playstation, and so held second place for as long as second place matters (it really doesn't matter where the PS3 ends up now, folks. The end of 2012 was basically the end, after the Wii U launched and when Sony and Microsoft were both moving focus to the new consoles). Nintendo, meanwhile, got back in touch with their roots in terms of understanding that their job is to sell games that sell consoles, and create games that do things nobody else even thinks of. 

Of course Sony took stupid pills in 2005 and 2006, and to a lesser extent 2007, to give Nintendo and Microsoft (more Microsoft for the direct market competition) a leg up, but even later in the gen as Sony righted the ship, the contest remained competitive.

Now we're back to seeing Sony's competitors do dumb things and Sony... not do dumb things. There's no magic there. What if Microsoft had made priority one for the Xbox One to be as developer-friendly as possible, reconfiguring the design phase? What if Nintendo had launched a true Wii successor that built on the promises of the Wii, instead of a half-assed retreat into the core market that we got?

That's a very disingenuous and naive opinion. The successes and failures of each of the console makers are half merit and half luck. At least in most cases. To lead the generation out of the gate and not make the same mistakes as their competitors requires a ton of wherewithal, especially when you consider that the mentaility behind the system is unlike any of its predecessors.



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I didn't challenge you to prove anything, I simply said "each to their own" because at that point I believed we were all on the same page, then when I started getting strange replies I cleared it up and that's when you said it made sense. But then went back to before the comment like it never happened. I'm just surprised we had this whole conversion if you knew what I meant all the way back there. 

Each their own basically means, "Well, that's your opinion" not, "we agree."

I got all night, man.



NintendoPie said:
ECM said:
Shorter thread: Sony wins except when it doesn't.

I hate when people steal things that I was going to say.

OT: What a silly thread.

What a silly contribution. Any thread can be mindlessly devolved like that. If you're going to disagree with the thread then at least explain why. 



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

yes when they make no big mistake like releasing a console 200 dollars more then it`s compititor



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Play4Fun said:

I didn't challenge you to prove anything, I simply said "each to their own" because at that point I believed we were all on the same page, then when I started getting strange replies I cleared it up and that's when you said it made sense. But then went back to before the comment like it never happened. I'm just surprised we had this whole conversion if you knew what I meant all the way back there. 

Each their own basically means, "Well, that's your opinion" not, "we agree."

I got all night, man.

I know what it mean lol I wouldn't have said it if I didn't 

At that point we didn't agree with one another though, it wasn't until I cleared things up with Anfebious that we had some form of agreeance( or so I thought by your reply). Then when you kept going I thought you obviously didn't agree with what I was saying anymore. We can go all night, It's only 7pm here :/  but that doesn't change the fact that you clearly knew what I meant way back when but due to having a bit of spare time on your hand you thought you'd pick my brain because it's late and you can't sleep lmao c'mon man that's pathetic.



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think-man said:

 I know what it mean lol I wouldn't have said it if I didn't 

At that point we didn't agree with one another though, it wasn't until I cleared things up with Anfebious that we had some form of agreeance( or so I thought by your reply). Then when you kept going I thought you obviously didn't agree with what I was saying anymore. We can go all night, It's only 7pm here :/  but that doesn't change the fact that you clearly knew what I meant way back when but due to having a bit of spare time on your hand you thought you'd pick my brain because it's late and you can't sleep lmao c'mon man that's pathetic.


I explained every bit of my actions and showed how everything is totally your fault, but at this point I'm finally getting sleepy and it's obvious you won't admit i'm right despite the fact that you know deep in your heart and soul that I am, so i will do us both a favor and end it or this will be an eternal battle.

 

Good night, sir.



Play4Fun said:
think-man said:

 I know what it mean lol I wouldn't have said it if I didn't 

At that point we didn't agree with one another though, it wasn't until I cleared things up with Anfebious that we had some form of agreeance( or so I thought by your reply). Then when you kept going I thought you obviously didn't agree with what I was saying anymore. We can go all night, It's only 7pm here :/  but that doesn't change the fact that you clearly knew what I meant way back when but due to having a bit of spare time on your hand you thought you'd pick my brain because it's late and you can't sleep lmao c'mon man that's pathetic.


I explained every bit of my actions and showed how everything is totally your fault, but at this point I'm finally getting sleepy and it's obvious you won't admit i'm right despite the fact that you know deep in your heart and soul that I am, so i will do us both a favor and end it or this will be an eternal battle.

 

Good night, sir.

What ever helps you sleep at night, I hope you don't play these silly games with everyone you meet. I've already had one member back me up :) So we'll end this as:

think-man: 1 vs Play4fun: 0

Have fun dreaming up your comeback.



think-man said:
Play4Fun said:
think-man said:

 I know what it mean lol I wouldn't have said it if I didn't 

At that point we didn't agree with one another though, it wasn't until I cleared things up with Anfebious that we had some form of agreeance( or so I thought by your reply). Then when you kept going I thought you obviously didn't agree with what I was saying anymore. We can go all night, It's only 7pm here :/  but that doesn't change the fact that you clearly knew what I meant way back when but due to having a bit of spare time on your hand you thought you'd pick my brain because it's late and you can't sleep lmao c'mon man that's pathetic.


I explained every bit of my actions and showed how everything is totally your fault, but at this point I'm finally getting sleepy and it's obvious you won't admit i'm right despite the fact that you know deep in your heart and soul that I am, so i will do us both a favor and end it or this will be an eternal battle.

 

Good night, sir.

What ever helps you sleep at night, I hope you don't play these silly games with everyone you meet. I've already had one member back me up :) So we'll end this as:

think-man: 1 vs Play4fun: 0

Have fun dreaming up your comeback.


...   >=/

I...you...

No, I will walk away.

...

But I will leave you with this:

The member who backed you up said you were clear from the beginning. You admitted in your post to pavolink that you were not clear in the beginning, therefore that member was as wrong as you are.

Okay then, I'll leave for real this time.



Play4Fun said:
think-man said:

What ever helps you sleep at night, I hope you don't play these silly games with everyone you meet. I've already had one member back me up :) So we'll end this as:

think-man: 1 vs Play4fun: 0

Have fun dreaming up your comeback.


...   >=/

I...you...

No, I will walk away.

...

But I will leave you with this:

The member who backed you up said you were clear from the beginning. You admitted in your post to pavolink that you were not clear in the beginning, therefore that member was as wrong as you are.

Okay then, I'll leave for real this time.


Yeah clear enough in my first post, but I had fully explained everything before you went on your rampage. That's why I told him to read my reply, all of this happened before you started fighting over shit that was already debated. You knew my whole side of the story from the start and decided to keep at it, and why? because you couldn't get to sleep.

So we have 3 members that all read the same thing and all agreed, then one member decides he can't get to sleep so picks a fight then claims victory lmao give me a break xD 



Play4Fun said:
DucksUnlimited said:
Play4Fun said:
DucksUnlimited said:

Believe it or not, I don't have to be in a thread while you're typing to see what you've typed. I actually read the whole exchange so I absolutely know what you're referring to, shocking as it may be.


Judging from your posts, no you don't.

You said he was clear from the beginning. He himself admitted he wasn't, so it had nothing to do with me having poor comprehension like you suggested.

Nope, he said he probably wasn't clear enough, obviously because you didn't get it. Everyone else in the thread did.