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spurge is getting round to it soon,don't worry

good point though,guess its easy to hate on the west



  

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mjo011 said:

I actually think people tend to forget that the Wii U is actually getting some support from Japanese developers.

Nintendo have a great relationship with Tecmo Koei, Namco Bandai and Sega. In addition to what they've already released, they are currently doing Fatal Frame V, Hyrule Warriors, Sonic Boom and Smash Bros. Although not a publisher, Platinum Games are also giving the Wii U a lot of love. Continuing support from these companies is pretty certain.

How many Western publishers do Nintendo have a great relationship with? None, although it is fair to say that Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros are still showing interest.

Capcom, Square Enix and Konami on the other hand have little interest in supporting the Wii U.

I would argue that Capcom, SE and Konami are more relevant than the ones who are actually supporting WIi U so it doesnt really balance out. I think UBI right now is doing a better job than any other 3rd party Japanese or otherwise



oniyide said:
mjo011 said:

I actually think people tend to forget that the Wii U is actually getting some support from Japanese developers.

Nintendo have a great relationship with Tecmo Koei, Namco Bandai and Sega. In addition to what they've already released, they are currently doing Fatal Frame V, Hyrule Warriors, Sonic Boom and Smash Bros. Although not a publisher, Platinum Games are also giving the Wii U a lot of love. Continuing support from these companies is pretty certain.

How many Western publishers do Nintendo have a great relationship with? None, although it is fair to say that Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros are still showing interest.

Capcom, Square Enix and Konami on the other hand have little interest in supporting the Wii U.

I would argue that Capcom, SE and Konami are more relevant than the ones who are actually supporting WIi U so it doesnt really balance out. I think UBI right now is doing a better job than any other 3rd party Japanese or otherwise

The lack of FF and KH is obviously a loss for the Wii U, but I can't see what good Capcom has given anybody the last decade and Konami basically only have Metal Gear Solid. Platinum Games >>>>>Capcom 2014 in my opinion.



mjo011 said:
oniyide said:
mjo011 said:

I actually think people tend to forget that the Wii U is actually getting some support from Japanese developers.

Nintendo have a great relationship with Tecmo Koei, Namco Bandai and Sega. In addition to what they've already released, they are currently doing Fatal Frame V, Hyrule Warriors, Sonic Boom and Smash Bros. Although not a publisher, Platinum Games are also giving the Wii U a lot of love. Continuing support from these companies is pretty certain.

How many Western publishers do Nintendo have a great relationship with? None, although it is fair to say that Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros are still showing interest.

Capcom, Square Enix and Konami on the other hand have little interest in supporting the Wii U.

I would argue that Capcom, SE and Konami are more relevant than the ones who are actually supporting WIi U so it doesnt really balance out. I think UBI right now is doing a better job than any other 3rd party Japanese or otherwise

The lack of FF and KH is obviously a loss for the Wii U, but I can't see what good Capcom has given anybody the last decade and Konami basically only have Metal Gear Solid. Platinum Games >>>>>Capcom 2014 in my opinion.


thats your opinion you are welcome to it, but lets be real sales and reception says otherwise. you cant judge on one year alone especially when its not over. and lets be even more real. PG isnt withing spitting distance of Capcom. Period. RE only games from the last decade crush everything PG has done in the same time period. (not talking if its good or not, subjective) and thats just ONE of Capcom's series.  

As for Metal Gear? so what, even if thats it thats still a big IT and something the WIi U isnt getting. But i think it goes back to what others were saying that alot of these companies are not that relevant so they are less up in arms. I dont agree with it but it makes sense.



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oniyide said:

I've noticed that Ubisoft, EA and Activision get alot of hate on the forums for their support or lack thereof the WIi U, im not here to debate that matter of fact for arguments sake ill say they are mostly right for now. But TBH its not like the Japanese publishers have been showering Wii U with support either. Konami, i dont think they put anything on WIiU period, Tecmo Koei is making that Zelda thing, but what were they doing most of the last year, release wise? Capcom puts out a few ports. MH, RE. Namco has been helping with Smash, but where are there games? Sega is putting out Sonic but what of the games that arent releasing on WiiU? ALiens for example. Atlus hasnt done anything. Square probably the biggest of the ones i mentioned have put out ports of old games, DQ10 not seeing release out of Japan.

Where is the fury for these guys?


Because japanese devs are from the old school era like Nintendo is.  They did not come up with DLC online passes or bad ports. They also dont insult Nintendo and its userbase or sabotage their own products. They also dont "forget" the Wii box in multiplatform commercials.

Western devs have the exact opposite mentality Nintendo has.

I like NIntendo  I love japanese games I have no use for western games unless its a very special game and if its playable (like a patched skyrim etc)
I also have a PS3 console for japanese games and sony exclusives and bought a 360 because of jrpgs and dead or alive.

The more japanese devs try to be like western devs with day1 DLC and no polish and grey/brown games  streamlining everything  the less I like them.



There is 2 types of gamers   mainstream and oldschool/hardcore. Western devs usually make games for a different audience  and focus on visuals. Japanese devs dont

TL:DR version  western devs are the DEVIL/CANCER/DEATH of real gaming.

Actually its the big publishers that are shitty not the devs (for the most part).  I liked THQ for example  I somewhat find Ubisoft okay but I hate EA and Activision for coming up with all that "ONLY MONEY COUNTS" behaviour.



oniyide said:
mjo011 said:
oniyide said:
mjo011 said:

I actually think people tend to forget that the Wii U is actually getting some support from Japanese developers.

Nintendo have a great relationship with Tecmo Koei, Namco Bandai and Sega. In addition to what they've already released, they are currently doing Fatal Frame V, Hyrule Warriors, Sonic Boom and Smash Bros. Although not a publisher, Platinum Games are also giving the Wii U a lot of love. Continuing support from these companies is pretty certain.

How many Western publishers do Nintendo have a great relationship with? None, although it is fair to say that Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros are still showing interest.

Capcom, Square Enix and Konami on the other hand have little interest in supporting the Wii U.

I would argue that Capcom, SE and Konami are more relevant than the ones who are actually supporting WIi U so it doesnt really balance out. I think UBI right now is doing a better job than any other 3rd party Japanese or otherwise

The lack of FF and KH is obviously a loss for the Wii U, but I can't see what good Capcom has given anybody the last decade and Konami basically only have Metal Gear Solid. Platinum Games >>>>>Capcom 2014 in my opinion.


thats your opinion you are welcome to it, but lets be real sales and reception says otherwise. you cant judge on one year alone especially when its not over. and lets be even more real. PG isnt withing spitting distance of Capcom. Period. RE only games from the last decade crush everything PG has done in the same time period. (not talking if its good or not, subjective) and thats just ONE of Capcom's series.  

As for Metal Gear? so what, even if thats it thats still a big IT and something the WIi U isnt getting. But i think it goes back to what others were saying that alot of these companies are not that relevant so they are less up in arms. I dont agree with it but it makes sense.

I know Capcom still sell a lot of games and have a lot of IPs. Monster Hunter is absoulutely huge. I believe RE 4 is the greatest videogame off all time, but that was released in 2005. I also liked RE5, but that franchise never reached anything close to what it achieved  9 years ago.

Platinum Games was founded in 2006 by by Shinji Mikami, Atsushi Inaba and Hideki Kamiya, the former key members of Capcom's Clover studio and still retains many of its other former members. Mikami created the RE franchise and also directed RE4. I feel that Capcom's creativity and soul went into Clover and then Platinum.

Let's agree to disagree. :)



Konami's just never really been interested in putting their A-level stuff on Nintendo platforms, for quite a while. Capcom, Tecmo-Koei, and Sega have all been decent.

There's Square Enix, to be sure, but that ship sailed with Nintendo home consoles a while ago, too.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

JazzB1987 said:
oniyide said:

I've noticed that Ubisoft, EA and Activision get alot of hate on the forums for their support or lack thereof the WIi U, im not here to debate that matter of fact for arguments sake ill say they are mostly right for now. But TBH its not like the Japanese publishers have been showering Wii U with support either. Konami, i dont think they put anything on WIiU period, Tecmo Koei is making that Zelda thing, but what were they doing most of the last year, release wise? Capcom puts out a few ports. MH, RE. Namco has been helping with Smash, but where are there games? Sega is putting out Sonic but what of the games that arent releasing on WiiU? ALiens for example. Atlus hasnt done anything. Square probably the biggest of the ones i mentioned have put out ports of old games, DQ10 not seeing release out of Japan.

Where is the fury for these guys?


Because japanese devs are from the old school era like Nintendo is.  They did not come up with DLC online passes or bad ports. They also dont insult Nintendo and its userbase or sabotage their own products. They also dont "forget" the Wii box in multiplatform commercials.

Western devs have the exact opposite mentality Nintendo has.

I like NIntendo  I love japanese games I have no use for western games unless its a very special game and if its playable (like a patched skyrim etc)
I also have a PS3 console for japanese games and sony exclusives and bought a 360 because of jrpgs and dead or alive.

The more japanese devs try to be like western devs with day1 DLC and no polish and grey/brown games  streamlining everything  the less I like them.



There is 2 types of gamers   mainstream and oldschool/hardcore. Western devs usually make games for a different audience  and focus on visuals. Japanese devs dont

TL:DR version  western devs are the DEVIL/CANCER/DEATH of real gaming.

Actually its the big publishers that are shitty not the devs (for the most part).  I liked THQ for example  I somewhat find Ubisoft okay but I hate EA and Activision for coming up with all that "ONLY MONEY COUNTS" behaviour.

wow where to begin, Capcom does day  1 DLC they were one of the first to do it and still do it. So your argument falls apart right there, hell some of the others to is sporadically too. SE for instance. bad ports? debatable what is your definition of bad? hell they are barely putting out ANY ports period. how is that better?

Everything else you say is subjective and i agree with some of it but its off topic a bit



mjo011 said:
oniyide said:
mjo011 said:
oniyide said:
mjo011 said:

I actually think people tend to forget that the Wii U is actually getting some support from Japanese developers.

Nintendo have a great relationship with Tecmo Koei, Namco Bandai and Sega. In addition to what they've already released, they are currently doing Fatal Frame V, Hyrule Warriors, Sonic Boom and Smash Bros. Although not a publisher, Platinum Games are also giving the Wii U a lot of love. Continuing support from these companies is pretty certain.

How many Western publishers do Nintendo have a great relationship with? None, although it is fair to say that Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros are still showing interest.

Capcom, Square Enix and Konami on the other hand have little interest in supporting the Wii U.

I would argue that Capcom, SE and Konami are more relevant than the ones who are actually supporting WIi U so it doesnt really balance out. I think UBI right now is doing a better job than any other 3rd party Japanese or otherwise

The lack of FF and KH is obviously a loss for the Wii U, but I can't see what good Capcom has given anybody the last decade and Konami basically only have Metal Gear Solid. Platinum Games >>>>>Capcom 2014 in my opinion.


thats your opinion you are welcome to it, but lets be real sales and reception says otherwise. you cant judge on one year alone especially when its not over. and lets be even more real. PG isnt withing spitting distance of Capcom. Period. RE only games from the last decade crush everything PG has done in the same time period. (not talking if its good or not, subjective) and thats just ONE of Capcom's series.  

As for Metal Gear? so what, even if thats it thats still a big IT and something the WIi U isnt getting. But i think it goes back to what others were saying that alot of these companies are not that relevant so they are less up in arms. I dont agree with it but it makes sense.

I know Capcom still sell a lot of games and have a lot of IPs. Monster Hunter is absoulutely huge. I believe RE 4 is the greatest videogame off all time, but that was released in 2005. I also liked RE5, but that franchise never reached anything close to what it achieved  9 years ago.

Platinum Games was founded in 2006 by by Shinji Mikami, Atsushi Inaba and Hideki Kamiya, the former key members of Capcom's Clover studio and still retains many of its other former members. Mikami created the RE franchise and also directed RE4. I feel that Capcom's creativity and soul went into Clover and then Platinum.

Let's agree to disagree. :)

ok, not really relevant as even RE of today is still above just about anything PG as done. its like trying to compare Atlus to Square, sure one fell off but they still carry more weight.

I know the PG history, thanks