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Forums - Nintendo - When it comes to WIiU why do western 3rd parties get so much flack, while Japanese ones dont?

oniyide said:

I've noticed that Ubisoft, EA and Activision get alot of hate on the forums for their support or lack thereof the WIi U, im not here to debate that matter of fact for arguments sake ill say they are mostly right for now. But TBH its not like the Japanese publishers have been showering Wii U with support either. Konami, i dont think they put anything on WIiU period, Tecmo Koei is making that Zelda thing, but what were they doing most of the last year, release wise? Capcom puts out a few ports. MH, RE. Namco has been helping with Smash, but where are there games? Sega is putting out Sonic but what of the games that arent releasing on WiiU? ALiens for example. Atlus hasnt done anything. Square probably the biggest of the ones i mentioned have put out ports of old games, DQ10 not seeing release out of Japan.

Where is the fury for these guys?

Atlus does mostly portable games n u haven't heard fire emblem x shin megami tensei 



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Anfebious said:
Pavolink said:
Anfebious said:
Pavolink said:

Most likely is that Nintendo is reponsible for this, not Atlus.


Squirtle Squirtle Squirtle $ (According to Wikipedia the game is being devleoped by Atlus and Intelligent Systems. Nintendo might be responsible for this but Atlus is giving them their support.)

Then this doesn't fit as a third party game but most like a crossover between a third party game and a first party one.

I believe OP means games like Tales of, MGS, DQ, MH, RE, etc.

Squirtle (You are right about that then. We can be sure of one thing though, Japanese support is slightly edging the western one. But It doesn't mean anything at this point.)

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Mummelmann said:

It's probably because they are perceived as less relevant overall (the Japanese ones, that is), especially when compared to the 90's and early 2000's, that's my guess anyway.


Also i'd guess it has to do with Japanese developers making more exclusives.

Western Dev's are more likely to throw a game on 5-6 platforms including the PS3 and 360 (but not wii U).

 

Someone giving another guy $5 and you nothing is one thing... someong giving EVERYONE else $5 including people they have to walk past you to get to?   That's a whole other deal.(As is the PS3/360 case technologically.)

 

People are used to the niche RPGs everyone coming out just being on one console.



Kasz216 said:
Mummelmann said:

It's probably because they are perceived as less relevant overall (the Japanese ones, that is), especially when compared to the 90's and early 2000's, that's my guess anyway.


Also i'd guess it has to do with Japanese developers making more exclusives.

Western Dev's are more likely to throw a game on 5-6 platforms including the PS3 and 360 (but not wii U).

 

Someone giving another guy $5 and you nothing is one thing... someong giving EVERYONE else $5 including people they have to walk past you to get to?   That's a whole other deal.(As is the PS3/360 case technologically.)

 

People are used to the niche RPGs everyone coming out just being on one console.


That' another good point, we all remember what a huge deal it was when Final Fantasy lost the exclusive stamp. This fondness for multiplatform development is very likely spurred by the bigger budgets of Western developed games.



NewWorldOrca said:
oniyide said:

I've noticed that Ubisoft, EA and Activision get alot of hate on the forums for their support or lack thereof the WIi U, im not here to debate that matter of fact for arguments sake ill say they are mostly right for now. But TBH its not like the Japanese publishers have been showering Wii U with support either. Konami, i dont think they put anything on WIiU period, Tecmo Koei is making that Zelda thing, but what were they doing most of the last year, release wise? Capcom puts out a few ports. MH, RE. Namco has been helping with Smash, but where are there games? Sega is putting out Sonic but what of the games that arent releasing on WiiU? ALiens for example. Atlus hasnt done anything. Square probably the biggest of the ones i mentioned have put out ports of old games, DQ10 not seeing release out of Japan.

Where is the fury for these guys?

Atlus does mostly portable games n u haven't heard fire emblem x shin megami tensei 


wrong, Atlus release a bunch of games for the PS3. And this is about the WIiU in the first place. And i have heard of that game but that is mostly 2nd party and that is still only ONE game which is my point. That is nto a lot of support



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Lot of interesting points here



Your titles should be "why western 3rd party developers get so much hate while japanese ones don't get any".

The answer to that is japanese developers are irrelevant for the most part and therefore WII U owners should expect more western support in order to put the WII U in a tiny bit of relevancy but this won't happen either ...



I actually think people tend to forget that the Wii U is actually getting some support from Japanese developers.

Nintendo have a great relationship with Tecmo Koei, Namco Bandai and Sega. In addition to what they've already released, they are currently doing Fatal Frame V, Hyrule Warriors, Sonic Boom and Smash Bros. Although not a publisher, Platinum Games are also giving the Wii U a lot of love. Continuing support from these companies is pretty certain.

How many Western publishers do Nintendo have a great relationship with? None, although it is fair to say that Ubisoft, Activision and Warner Bros are still showing interest.

Capcom, Square Enix and Konami on the other hand have little interest in supporting the Wii U.



oniyide said:

It goes back to my opinion about all people.  Not Nintendo fans, Sony fans, Microsoft fans, etc.  Everyone.  They're just sheep.  Everyone else is bashing EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc, so you've got this large amount of people who follow the leader and rant aboutt what everyone else rants about.

I've made this very same comment in one of the EA threads when people are on ther usual, EA is the worst company ever rampages.  I mentioned all the same companies, which aside from launch releases or near launch, these companies haven't published anything else. 

And not just Japanese developers.  What about western developers like Bethesda?  Bethesda made a comment while on a video cast with IGN I think around E3 last year, maybe the year before, that they're not even going to bother with the Wii U.  They tried giving Nintendo input on how they should develop the console, but Nintendo didn't want any input so they stated they're fine not developing anything on the console.

There are lots of companies that don't support the Wii U, but the only companies people bash are the ones that have given a lot of support and stopped supporting them because they're not making any profit.  These are companies that shouldn't be complained about at all because they're the only companies doing anything for  the system.



Capcom: has released few home console games in general in the last couple of years, and Wii U got about half of them anyway. Mega Man in Smash and terrific 3DS support gives them a positive rep among Nintendo fans acting as a buffer against the hate. That they continue to actively support the growth of the Virtual Console on both Wii U and 3DS is another point in their favor.

Sega/Atlus: Nintendo consoles get many exclusives from these guys. The Persona series is coming to a Nintendo console for the first time later this year. Tremendous support overall even though some games (mainly exclusives) don't come to Nintendo platforms. Bonus points for Colonial Marines not releasing on Wii U. Oh yeah, and they put more effort into their 3D Classics than Nintendo themselves.

Konami: they have not strongly supported Nintendo consoles for a long time.  Additionally, it seems Metal Gear Solid is the only thing they can do right any more, so most of their games are not a big loss. Note that Western publishers who also have little history of supporting Nintendo consoles, such as Bethesda, are ignored by Nintendo fans in much the same way.

Bandai-Namco: as with Capcom, I am hard pressed to name major home console titles released by these guys in the past year and the immediate future. The Wii U did get a Tekken game at launch and their cooperation in Smash Bros development gives them some good publicity.

Square Enix: similar to Konami, though Square has a longer history of supporting Nintendo platforms. Of all Japanese publishers, I think SE is the one that gets the most flak from Nintendo fans, rivaling or exceeding the amount of ire directed towards Western publishers. Examples of this include frustration over Kingdom Hearts 1.5 and 2.5 being Sony exclusives and Kingdom Hearts 3 releasing on Xbox, while the Wii U gets nothing despite several installments in the series being Nintendo exclusives, as recently as 2012 on 3DS. There is also frustration over Final Fantasy XV not coming to Wii U: from VII through XII, most gamers took it for granted that main series Final Fantasy titles were Sony exclusives. When the XIII games started coming out on 360, Nintendo fans knew the Wii couldn't handle that game, and didn't care much anyway because the XIII games weren't as popular as previous entries. Now that Nintendo has a powerful console many Nintendo fans see as comparable to the latest generation, some had hopes that major titles like FFXV would be available on all three consoles. The debate about whether XV and KH3 could run on Wii U is well documented and I won't get into that. But suffice to say Square Enix has not gotten a free pass from the general Nintendo fandom.