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Did you expect Wii U's current sales trend?

Yes 127 45.85%
 
No 95 34.30%
 
Yo Mama 49 17.69%
 
Total:271
Jay70sgamer said:
Nes= profitable
Super nes = profitable
N64=profitable
Wii=profitable
Wii u =more than likely profitable at end of generation
Nintendo does not care about who sells the most as long as a profit is being made......moral of story as long as nintendo as a company makes a profit on their consoles they could care less how their sales decline or how many consoles are sold that is the purpose of running a business to profit lol just saying...also i would call being the leader in 3 out of 7 generations being a fluke lol





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Jay70sgamer said:
Nes= profitable
Super nes = profitable
N64=profitable
Wii=profitable
Wii u =more than likely profitable at end of generation
Nintendo does not care about who sells the most as long as a profit is being made......moral of story as long as nintendo as a company makes a profit on their consoles they could care less how their sales decline or how many consoles are sold that is the purpose of running a business to profit lol just saying


nintendo JUST met their last years projection. They are bundling sw like crazy and already cut the price 50 dollars.before that, they were losing money on each system sold. Now,  there plan is to bundle their biggest seller this year.... where are these profits going to come from? Nintendo does care about unit sales because that means more sw sold. less cost on production per unit and more profit. The Wii U is a money sink and having such low sales isnt helping one bit



Max King of the Wild said:
Jay70sgamer said:
Nes= profitable
Super nes = profitable
N64=profitable
Wii=profitable
Wii u =more than likely profitable at end of generation
Nintendo does not care about who sells the most as long as a profit is being made......moral of story as long as nintendo as a company makes a profit on their consoles they could care less how their sales decline or how many consoles are sold that is the purpose of running a business to profit lol just saying


nintendo JUST met their last years projection. They are bundling sw like crazy and already cut the price 50 dollars.before that, they were losing money on each system sold. Now,  there plan is to bundle their biggest seller this year.... where are these profits going to come from? Nintendo does care about unit sales because that means more sw sold. less cost on production per unit and more profit. The Wii U is a money sink and having such low sales isnt helping one bit

Manufacturing costs reduce with time. PS3 was once a gargantuan money sink.



reggin_bolas said:
mii-gamer said:
The Wii was a response to the decline in home console sales - which worked out very well for them. "The Wii was a fluke" Narrative is complete bullshit - it was a deliberate, intentional and genius move to capture an untapped market. They were banking on a similar strategy again, but the execution was terribly flawed.

The next console could flop worst then the Wii U - in fact Nintendo could already be irrelevant in the home console market, however, it is impossible to predict the future - as anything can happen. When a company is pushed to the edge they will no doubt fight back - luckily -Nintendo has a few tools at their disposable such as their war chest of cash, popular IPS and more importantly talent.

Nintendo is still one of the, if not - the biggest dedicated gaming company in the world.

I personally wouldn't count them out just yet.

Hmm lets see, "fluke" - unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.

There was no chance involved in Nintendo's hardware decision. They weren't playing dice with that; it was a strategic choice. What was an unlikely chance occurence was the roaring and rampant success of the Wii hardware. Nintendo could not have predicted sales would soar as fast as they did. If they were; they would have increased production to meet early demand. 

The fact that no other Nintendo console has sold as well as the Wii suggests it was a fluke from a purely sales perspective. 

So yeah, common sense tells us the Wii was a fad or consumers would jump at the Wii U. Even if you factor in the confusing name and lack of advertising I don't think moms and grandmothers would embrace the game pad. It's a gimmicky concept that doesn't work. People find the tablet controller unwieldy and bulky. That's one of the reason I won't touch a Wii U or entertain buying one even at a low price point.

Edit: Generations from now, the Wii will be considered a textbook example of a fad. Massive ephemeral success followed by massive decline and disinterest. The Wii and Wii U is like black and white. Day and Night. 

Your whole argument falls at the bold. Explain the DS? Nintendo saw the potential maket with the DS with the release of Nintendogs, Brain Age and the other touch generation games - they used the same philosophy for the Wii and it payed off greatly.

You can even tell their philosophy witht the Wii from the e3 2006  conferance stemmed from the DS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUDMg5b-n2w

Fluke? Their strategy worked twice in the same generation.  The strategy may not work now since the market has changed, but it certainly was not a fluke. 



mii-gamer said:
reggin_bolas said:
mii-gamer said:
The Wii was a response to the decline in home console sales - which worked out very well for them. "The Wii was a fluke" Narrative is complete bullshit - it was a deliberate, intentional and genius move to capture an untapped market. They were banking on a similar strategy again, but the execution was terribly flawed.

The next console could flop worst then the Wii U - in fact Nintendo could already be irrelevant in the home console market, however, it is impossible to predict the future - as anything can happen. When a company is pushed to the edge they will no doubt fight back - luckily -Nintendo has a few tools at their disposable such as their war chest of cash, popular IPS and more importantly talent.

Nintendo is still one of the, if not - the biggest dedicated gaming company in the world.

I personally wouldn't count them out just yet.

Hmm lets see, "fluke" - unlikely chance occurrence, especially a surprising piece of luck.

There was no chance involved in Nintendo's hardware decision. They weren't playing dice with that; it was a strategic choice. What was an unlikely chance occurence was the roaring and rampant success of the Wii hardware. Nintendo could not have predicted sales would soar as fast as they did. If they were; they would have increased production to meet early demand. 

The fact that no other Nintendo console has sold as well as the Wii suggests it was a fluke from a purely sales perspective. 

So yeah, common sense tells us the Wii was a fad or consumers would jump at the Wii U. Even if you factor in the confusing name and lack of advertising I don't think moms and grandmothers would embrace the game pad. It's a gimmicky concept that doesn't work. People find the tablet controller unwieldy and bulky. That's one of the reason I won't touch a Wii U or entertain buying one even at a low price point.

Edit: Generations from now, the Wii will be considered a textbook example of a fad. Massive ephemeral success followed by massive decline and disinterest. The Wii and Wii U is like black and white. Day and Night. 

Your whole argument falls at the bold. Explain the DS? Nintendo saw the potential maket with the DS with the release of Nintendogs, Brain Age and the other touch generation games - they used the same philosophy for the Wii and it payed off greatly.

You can even tell their philosophy witht the Wii from the e3 2006  conferance stemmed from the DS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUDMg5b-n2w

Fluke? Their strategy worked twice in the same generation.  The strategy may not work now since the market has changed, but it certainly was not a fluke. 


Apples and oranges. I thought we were talking home consoles only. Nintendo has always dominated the handheld market. That's never changed. 



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reggin_bolas said:
mii-gamer said:

Your whole argument falls at the bold. Explain the DS? Nintendo saw the potential maket with the DS with the release of Nintendogs, Brain Age and the other touch generation games - they used the same philosophy for the Wii and it payed off greatly.

You can even tell their philosophy witht the Wii from the e3 2006  conferance stemmed from the DS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUDMg5b-n2w

Fluke? Their strategy worked twice in the same generation.  The strategy may not work now since the market has changed, but it certainly was not a fluke. 


Apples and oranges. I thought we were talking home consoles only. Nintendo has always dominated the handheld market. That's never changed. 


Home consoles or handhelds - it doesn't change the fact that the strategy was delibrate and brilliant - it proves my point that the Wii was not a fluke



This has been spewed all over the internet for awhile now. Many of us have seen the problems with how Nintendo handles their home consoles, and we've also seen the consequences.

I'm interested in seeing how Nintendo plans to carry out their next console. Hopefully Iwata's been rereading that Blue Ocean book.



mii-gamer said:

Home consoles or handhelds - it doesn't change the fact that the strategy was delibrate and brilliant - it proves my point that the Wii was not a fluke

Nintendo doesn't need a strategy with handhelds. All they need to do is release it and make it cheap and it dominates, there is literally nothing Sony can do.

The only thing that threaten's Nintendo's Monopoly on Handhelds is the Entire Combined Mobile Industry.

Nintendo = Captain Falcon

Sony = Not Captain Falcon

 



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superchunk said:
RolStoppable said:
It's simple, really. Everytime Nintendo decides to fight over the existing market, their sales decline. That's because they turn off a good chunk of their audience in the process. The Wii only looks like the only anomaly, because the NES is the starting point. If the NES were in the middle, it would be an anomaly too. Both the NES and Wii were about making gaming more popular, so the hardware and software was designed accordingly. With the other four systems Nintendo didn't bother to ask how they can get more people to play video games. The most recent one, the Wii U, was all about winning third parties and the hardcore gamer back, i.e. the existing market (see E3 2011 reveal).

You can apply the same thing to the handheld market. Nintendo's sales kept rising as long as they didn't get into a fight with other companies and let them dictate how things are done. The GBA sold only 80m, but it did it in six years as opposed to the 120m of the GB/GBC in twelve years; and the DS did 150m in seven years. But then came the 3DS and Nintendo was all about going after the PSP market; suddenly it wasn't about making video games more popular, but getting a bigger chunk of the teenager demographic which was Nintendo's weakest point (and Sony's strongest). The irony is that while Nintendo succeeded at taking notable chunks of Sony's market (Monster Hunter exclusivity being an important piece of the puzzle), they are losing out everywhere else, hence the decline. That should make you realize how important the DS was. Sony was readying the PSP, yet Nintendo decided that they won't go to war. They didn't fall into that trap, even though the threat was immense.

What all this means for Nintendo's future is that any calls for Nintendo to serve third parties and hardcore gamers have it completely backwards; that will kill Nintendo. What Nintendo has to do is design systems that are like the NES, Wii, GB or DS. Mission statements that are about making more people play video games. Ironically, even if that goes against the wishes of third parties, it's actually more beneficial for them as the Wii and DS have proven. Significantly larger installed bases for Nintendo hardware inevitably result in bigger sales for third party software.

Lastly, I expected a steep decline (at least 60%) from Wii to Wii U for all of the aforementioned reasons. However, I didn't expect it to be this steep. Regardless, performing worse than the GC fits right in with Nintendo's history. Predicting the success or failure of Nintendo's next video game system should be an easy task, because all you need to do is listen to what they say when they reveal it and look if the presented software matches what they say.

 
Anyone arguing against this is wrong. I used to argue with rol on this at the beginning, but facts of sales and Nintendo focus all point to this conclusion.

Nintendo needs another game console that focuses on new players. Not core.


That is MUCH easier said than done



maybe the others (Sony in particular) just do home consoles better than NInty does. Unless they pull something so different (blue ocean). So either they be different or they are doomed to get beat up