Completely disagree. They'd outsell it in America and maybe the UK, but WW would still be PS4 zone.

I was talking about US sales, it's the NPD thread. But US and UK could balance sony domination in continental Europe and Japan and WW would be a much closer fight.

Where did the PS3 number come from though?

Also, looks like PS4 software is undertracked by almost 200k. XBO software basically spot on

Again, no we don't.

Last generation Assassins Creed, Mass Effect, Uncharted, Gears of War, and The Last of Us were all new IP's with zero previous games to judge sales on.  We have no idea what big new IPs will be born this generation.  One or more of them very well could come from MS Game Studios.

It is very likely that the PS4 will consistantly outsell the Xbox One for the forseeable future, but in year one its FAR too early to start calling something as bold as PS4 outselling the X1 every single week of the year. We litteraly have no idea what this generation is going to look like or which games will be the big players yet.

That's just speculation based on last gen and this gen. The PS2 released after the GC and Xbox yes, so it was definetly not designed to compete against their hardware. Thus the GC and Xbox were a lot more powerful. However, The Console War that we have now that started last gen is not the same one that we had prior in with the PS1, Saturn, and 64 in the 5th Gen, that "war" was incited by the companies to increase market awareness.

The 7th gen War was started by fans and thanks to the internet and social media fanbases can communciate with each other and against other groups. 

In 5th gen most people here had dial up, you didn't have internet communities for the PS2, it barely had online gaming. Only having one console for some kind of brand identity was even more insane then it is now because, social networking didn't really exist so you could barely even voice your opinions. It only made sense if it was an issue of price, or convience (many people were introduced into gaming because of the Xbox)

MS fans were such because they liked Xbox, but it had nothing to do with whether or not they where fans of PS2 or Nintendo.

In my opinion the new Kinect could have done wonders. But there's no software for it.

This is the biggest issue i have with MS's X1 launch. They are investing a lot in Kinect yet they didnt have any software for it? And apart from one or two games now they still dont have the software to sell the device.

Being more vocal now is easier but doesn`t mean that the brand wars didn`t have a big weight before. The internet just made it more visible.

I think the "my console is better than yours" goes back further that you think. I have been hearing that argument ever since the SNES and Genesis/MD days.
To me it`s nothing new. It just seems worse because it`s more widespread now than ever before.

All i was saying is that MS fans aren`t experiencing anything new. Is it on a different scale? Yes. But it`s nothing new.

Before the internet however, the brand wars were not relevant, at least from the consumer point of view. Consoles were not mainstream back then.

It was only because of advertising that media had any invovement with brands, today we have entire sites dedicated to fanbases, trolling of those fanbases, and making objective comparisons between consoles to satisfy those fanbases just because of the Console War. it is a different beast regardless if it originated from fans in pre-6th gen.

The first console war was incited by the companies, now its the community who is propogating it.

The scale makes it different.

Was anybody even tracking the og Xbox at the time? It was established fact at that point that PS2 owned gaming in 6th gen, nobody even considered otherwise. There were no reasonable expectations that the Xbox was going to somehow sell tens of millions of consoles monthly in its short life with a higher price, no company would be able to make that many consoles anyway.

Ultimately, its your opinion, whether or not MS fans are used to losing which I find ludicrous considering Last Gen happened.

They might be two similar wars but they are not the same, they took advantage of different tensions and where incited by different reasons.

CWI was incited by the companies making PR claims such as Blast Processing and the works, and exploited the lack of technical knowledge of the mainstream and buyers remorse.

CWII was incited by the communities expectations for 7th and 8th Gen, the advent of social media that allowed the community to be vocal, and the media outlets who magnify the exposure of gaming news illiciting a response from the community. It exploits buyers remorse as well but the avaliability of information thanks to the internet and social media.

Just like WWI and WWII, were not just the same war at different scale, the same holds for CWI and CWII.