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What year will Nintendo release their 9th Generation Handheld?

2014 10 3.15%
 
2015 37 11.67%
 
2016 113 35.65%
 
2017 91 28.71%
 
2018 43 13.56%
 
2019 9 2.84%
 
2020 3 0.95%
 
Beyond 2020 3 0.95%
 
Never... 8 2.52%
 
Total:317

I'd like to have a relatively nice quality screen for one. The 3DS and even Wii U screen's really don't cut the mustard in this day and age, a decent PPI screen with good color reproduction would be at the top of the list. No more dual screen, I want one big touch panel, if the developer wants to split half the real estate for a map or whatever, that's their choice, but I want developers to be able to use the full screen real estate for the main game action and not have it awkwardly divided in two. 

I suspect the next Nintendo handheld will have close to Wii U visuals, only a lower res (960x540?), but that's fine with me. I think this would be a smart way to go because it would let them port over Wii U projects that a lot of people aren't going to get a chance to play. 

And I'd like a much better Virtual Console service from day 1 ... none of this "trickle down" nonsense, I want a good variety of games from all of Nintendo's past platforms available from day 1.



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I don't really see the point of a low cost handheld. Why not just redesign the 2DS/3DS again in a few years and sell that for $99-$129 with a revamped eShop that lets you download 3DS, DS, GBA, NES, SNES, and maybe N64 titles then? I guess you could rebrand it too if you really wanted to (Nintendo LS; Legacy System?). 

You don't really need to make an entirely new system for that, a variant of the 3DS would probably be more ideal because you could make the entire DS and 3DS back catalog available from day 1 too and the chipset would be dirt cheap. 



RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

While an interesting read, why you write so loooong?! These "smart"phones are surprisingly stupid when quoting on vgc...

so, in short, you dont believe the portable market are in any immidiate danger? Most can and will be recrified next gen if done correctly? I would actually love to hear how you would handle nintendos next handheld.

I do agree that the "loyalty" program for the eShop is a great idea, and something nintendo should implement sooner rather than later. But that alone wont attract much more gamers/players. Its a great idea for those who already own a handheld, but I dont see it attracting a lot of first timers.

Playing on smartphones is so much easier, not because the games are better in any way, but because you already own a phone and mobile games are simply distractions for when you have 5 minutes over. I love SM3DL, but its not just a matter of pick up and play; theres a hell of a lot of button pushing before you actually boot up the gameplay, and youre more invested in it than you would be in like candy crush or ninja fruit.

There were several questions in your post and I had to explain my answers in a sufficient manner to not trigger more sub-questions. Be happy that I am not John Lucas who would have written a novel.

Indeed, I don't believe that the handheld market is doomed. PCs and home consoles have co-existed for so long that a co-existence between PCs and dedicated gaming machines should also be possible in the portable space. You've already read several posts of mine (in this thread and others) where I talked about things I want from Nintendo's next handheld, so I am not sure what else you want to hear.

I already conceded that the eShop alone won't sell the hardware. The retail software will have to do the lion share of the work. Nintendo has a bunch of surefire hits like Super Mario Bros., Mario Kart, Animal Crossing and Pokémon, toss in a few new IPs like a multiplayer-focused action RPG (think more top-down Zelda than Monster Hunter) and... I don't know, right now I can't think of anything else that isn't derivative of existing Nintendo IPs... anyway, it can't be that a company with Nintendo's talent and creativity will be unable to come up with games that can sell an affordable straight-forward handheld. 

Those big games have to sell the hardware and once that's done, the eShop can serve the needs for shorter game sessions. If Nintendo can't get people to play their games, then they are probably in the wrong business anyway.

I was only complaining because reading these things on a phone really sucks!

I think there's quite a difference between a PC and a phone though: most PC gamers built their own PC, while you don't have to do that with phones. Why PC gaming hasn't taken off more than it already has is kinda weird though, at least to me. But don't you think handhelds will become increasingly niche? And will it be big enough for Nintendo to focus on still, after a lot of the 3rd aprty support goes away to mobile?

I'd like just a short list of want you want to see on Nintendos next portable. Right now I kinda know more of the things you DON'T want to see; no more gimmicks (so that's 3D, probably dual screens, touch screens, and a second analog stick) and the bare minimum to be able to game. Right now it kinda sounds like you want the PSP. Or even the GBA. Maybe just throw in an analog stick for good measure. But I'm quite sure that's not what you really want?



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I think it'll be an Easter 2017 release (to allow for price drop and no supply issues for Xmas).

I'm pretty sure it'll be a fusion style system, but presented as a 3rd pillar to enable a back pedal if the need arises.



Two screens will die with the 3DS IMO. It's pointless now that bigger multitouch screens are cost effective, it made sense for the DS in 2004 because back then a very large touch panel would've been extremely expensive, and having just one screen that was about 3 inches would've been easily obscured by the hand.

For 3DS is makes sense because the top display is 3D (obviously).

I don't see it making sense in the future though. I think Nintendo is ditching 3D, and the second screen honestly is usually a waste. It just displays a map of auxiliary information, when having one larger screen would allow a developer to use more screen real estate on what actually matters - the damn game, lol.

Two screens just drive up cost and needlessly chews away at battery life too.

Using one screen will make the system stand out much more from the 3DS too, whereas when the 3DS launched there was a ton of confusion as to whether it was a new system or just a new DS model. And it makes more sense if this is a hybrid console device where games are designed to be shared for play on the handheld or the TV, the TV is one screen, so should the handheld, so devs don't have to make games with different screen configs. That would just needlessly complicate the whole idea of one shared gaming ecosystem. 



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RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:

I was only complaining because reading these things on a phone really sucks!

I think there's quite a difference between a PC and a phone though: most PC gamers built their own PC, while you don't have to do that with phones. Why PC gaming hasn't taken off more than it already has is kinda weird though, at least to me. But don't you think handhelds will become increasingly niche? And will it be big enough for Nintendo to focus on still, after a lot of the 3rd aprty support goes away to mobile?

I'd like just a short list of want you want to see on Nintendos next portable. Right now I kinda know more of the things you DON'T want to see; no more gimmicks (so that's 3D, probably dual screens, touch screens, and a second analog stick) and the bare minimum to be able to game. Right now it kinda sounds like you want the PSP. Or even the GBA. Maybe just throw in an analog stick for good measure. But I'm quite sure that's not what you really want?

Most PC gaming is not done on gaming PCs. People talk as if the gaming that is done on smartphones is anything new, but for the most part it really just took the flash and browser games from the PC and switched the mouse for a touchscreen. Royalties from third party games aren't the highest source of profit for Nintendo (but it is the easiest as other companies are doing the work to make a console manufacturer rich), so there is reason enough to continue, even if handhelds become so niche that no more than 50m systems can be shifted in a generation.

The clamshell design with two screens (one touchscreen) can make a return, bigger d-pad and buttons, d-pad moved into the primary spot, one slide pad, all the same buttons that the 3DS already has, no 3D. Higher resolution screens than the 3DS, but no notable increase in processing power (because there's no demand).

Yes, I agree that mobile games are mostly old flash and browser games, but putting them on smartphones really opened up a whole new market. And as has been stated many times over, kids seem to prefer to play mobile games over games on dedicated gaming machines. And that's a vital market for Nintendo.

While I agree that a 50m handheld market is still profitable enough for Nintendo to persue, we need to acknowleadge two things: 1) with no 3rd party support, probably fewer gamers are going to bother with handhelds (since 3rd parties offer a diveristy that is very much appreciated) and 2) with kids prefering smartphones over handhelds, Nintendo is looking at a shrinking demographic. These two things will in the end lead to the death of handhelds, since fewer and fewer people will pick up handhelds over time.

Considering these two assumptions, I have a hard time seeing how a HDS (which is kinda what you're describing what you want from Nintendo next time around) is going to bring new gamers to Nintendo. I stand by my first statement in this whole discussion: Nintendo needs to do something new, something innovating.

I think you're partially right; handhelds and mobiles can co-exist, and a market of 50m is good enough for Nintendo to continue their portable business, but in the end, they need to expand their demographic and get new costumers. And you don't do that by doing the same old things.



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Soundwave said:

Two screens will die with the 3DS IMO. It's pointless now that bigger multitouch screens are cost effective, it made sense for the DS in 2004 because back then a very large touch panel would've been extremely expensive, and having just one screen that was about 3 inches would've been easily obscured by the hand.

For 3DS is makes sense because the top display is 3D (obviously).

I don't see it making sense in the future though. I think Nintendo is ditching 3D, and the second screen honestly is usually a waste. It just displays a map of auxiliary information, when having one larger screen would allow a developer to use more screen real estate on what actually matters - the damn game, lol.

Two screens just drive up cost and needlessly chews away at battery life too.

Using one screen will make the system stand out much more from the 3DS too, whereas when the 3DS launched there was a ton of confusion as to whether it was a new system or just a new DS model. And it makes more sense if this is a hybrid console device where games are designed to be shared for play on the handheld or the TV, the TV is one screen, so should the handheld, so devs don't have to make games with different screen configs. That would just needlessly complicate the whole idea of one shared gaming ecosystem. 

So what you want is for Nintendo to make a Vita that has games that you can play on your TV as well? Wouldn't a hybrid console need to have catridges instead of DVDs?



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I want and expect heavy interaction with Nintendo next home console.



Yeah, I expect they'll be a lot of connection to the home console equivalent (if they're not both the same thing), but a better online infrastructure and two analogue sticks would be nice. Oh, and a better charge as well (though the XL isn't too bad).

What I really want is just more of the same really. I really like the 3DS, so the only thing on my "wish list" is more great games.



 

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