We need to invest in a collective VGC fund to subscribe to NPD ourselves just so everyone can be satisfied these figures are official, huh? Would stop a hell of a lot of "debate" at this point.

I've been more than happy to rely on Creamsugar's leaks since I started posting here; and judging by adjustments, ioi is happy to rely on them too (or if not CS's leaks, then his own subscription to NPD, which often falls in line with exactly what CS leaks, hmm...)

Anyway, yeah, this was my thought too. Not a fantastic time for WiiU at the moment. While the USA drop on its own isn't massively worrying, being down so much in Japan and having never taken off in Europe, the last bastion of the 'states being down isn't so great in that context.

We can estimate where it's heading for based on available data - if we assume that things remain fairly consistent but scaled (Wii U didn't get much of note in Jan-Mar 2013, either), then on US numbers, we'd have 49k+75k+79k = 203k. Adding about 10% for Canada (it's actually 9.1% or so, but let's not quibble the minor details), we're up to 223k. So they would just need another 167k between Europe, Japan, and the rest of the world. Note that this is ignoring that first week, which would probably influence amounts that Nintendo ends up shipping.

If you have a suitable source for Media Create numbers that don't require me to go through and find a heap of different threads/pages, I'd be interested. In the meantime, I'll use VGChartz numbers for Japan. January 2013, 62.5k. January 2014, 43k, so down to 69% of 2013. This gives Japan's contribution at around 107k. So Europe and Rest of World just needs to contribute 60k. According to VGChartz, Europe's already at 46k, so 60k should be easy.

It was in December, yet you didn't create a thread about it.

And I agree with your last statement.

I think a kick in the arse would be a good thing for them, and this is one hell of a kicking.

Its down to arrogance and being stubborn. They had the chance to GREATLY expand during the Wii/DS heyday when they were making the biggest profits the industry had ever seen. Everyone could see that software, while brilliant, was few and far between and the casual crowd could only be held with party and fitness games for so long.

Nintendo needed more teams. Nintendo needed young, new developers and they needed to give them creative freedom. Was the perfect time to expand and they blew it.

Nintendo simply dont have the development capabilities to support 2 platforms without meaningful 3rd party support.

No idea where you're getting your figures from?

All we have is 90k for Japan (first 5 weeks) and 49k for US January. Likely Europe is way under that. If January can barely hit 150k it doesn't hold much hope for Feb and March. (especially given early Jan in Japan contribuited a lot to that 150k.)

Also, too much left over stock in Q4 makes it hard to guage.

Did you not understand what I actually wrote? I used January numbers from NPD for 2013 and 2014, and then assumed that, if real YOY numbers are up 10%, then I scaled the February and March 2013 numbers up by 10% (using the 40k estimate for adjusted 4-week January 2013 value, it's actually up 22.5%, so I scaled them up by 22.5%).

For Japan and Europe, I did a similar analysis, scaling based on January numbers for 2013 and 2014, but using VGChartz numbers since I didn't have easy access to Media Create or Famitsu numbers, and there's no solid numbers for Europe. And I wasn't counting the first week, to be consistent with NPD in 2014. Using those four weeks for 2014, that's 40k - VGChartz has 55k for that first week of 2014, so that explains the 90k value from Media Create (within margin of error, no doubt). Note that using the extra week is roughly the same - Japan January 2014 works out to about 68-69% of 2013, irrespective of whether you include that first week.

hopefully, something good comes out of the ashes when all is said and done. As a die hard nintendo fan, I can't defend them at this point, all i can do is support them by buying their games and hope a miracle happens. But the consistant pestering of the other side is becoming somewhat annoying and has ruined the spirit of the community, a perfect example would be this thread.

2nd Jan (14th Month)

Gamecube: 81k
WiiU: 49k

LTD

GCN: 3,664,000
WiiU: 2,142,000

WW in terms of shipments, WiiU is tracking 3.5m behind Gamecube.

For what is worth, Japan is getting a new bundle with Wii Sports Club in March, Just Dance WiiU in April, and several GBA games for VC also in April.

Lets be honest the wiiu is done, it will be lucky to sell 15 million in it's lifetime, as for the XB1 they need to drop the price to 349-399$ next month, or they will be in big trouble, at least at that price, it could some what compete with the ps4, even though it will still be far behind.