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And again Jacob Kedmi is speaking (see first vdeio above), Russian only:

Basically he's explaining why Russia needs Ukraine in one piece, synposis:
- Military intervention is a preemptive move to take the initative and do not allow unfortunate string of events that might lead to enemy military bases near the borders, that would put entire regions in grave danger.
- Military intervention outside smaller scale operations in mainland Ukraine is unlikely, support to Southern and Eastern Ukraine will be accomplished by other means other than military, the final goal is to consolidate the region and replace radicals in government with new political power, be it legitimately or not.
- No sanctions or any kind of treaty with the West would work as the West is not trust-worthy (...citing precedents...), while this is red line situation as it perceived from Moscow. To ilustrate Russian perception of the situation compares it with Cuban crisis, Putin with Kennedy, mentions what if scenario and asking rhetorical question what would Israel (he's Israeli) do in similar position etc.
- Mentions Egypt situation and how Mursi was overthrown as an example of double standards.
- Discussing the fate of Jewish population in Ukraine (250 000 of them as they say).



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Russia Today is PRO RUSSIAN propaganda TV. So whatever you see in the video take it with a shipload of salt.

Is there actually 1 TV channel that is neither pro or anti russian? And neutral ones left?



JazzB1987 said:
Russia Today is PRO RUSSIAN propaganda TV. So whatever you see in the video take it with a shipload of salt.

RT, Fox, CNN, Al-jazeera, BBC, ARD, me, you, that guy over there -- all are propagaanda. Do you have any doubts in credibility of the phone tape posted above? RT has made this up?



I'm not 100% positive, but I don't think RT is part of the mainstream media like FOX



mai said:

More phone tape leaks. Ashton and what's his name, Estonian foreign affairs minister.

RT is making a big story out of it, specifically mentioning the fact that snipers who killed a bunch of people (both protesters and police to escalate violence, that's old trick I must say) have been hired by Maidan leaders. Not sure who (among sane ones) has ever considered that was Yanukovich, but it seems like revelation for Ashton. Personally doubt these killings could be blamed on triumvirat of Maidan leaders, yet they probably were aware of the snipers, that's Nazis or some third force methinks.

Oh, and another topic, Ashton is living in self-constucted reality that have little to do with actual world around -- that was my impression -- sucky politician and absolute puppet.


Haha its the same "please hold the line melody" alot of German shops have including MediaMarkt/Saturn.   This means that for MediaMarkt/Saturn every customer is on the same level as a minister  hahaha



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deskpro2k3 said:
I'm not 100% positive, but I don't think RT is part of the mainstream media like FOX

RT is not mainstream from the position of American media and practically everyone from "globalized" world, yes. Even Al-Jazeera on many occasions is closer to position of MSM as it originates in Qatar, hence its position on Arab spring. Though it's not like CNN and Fox and ARD positions will match in 100% of cases, depends on the topic.

The defining characteristic of RT is it being an ideal pro-Patriot (they way I define them at least) media, so pro-Patriot, in fact, that certain civil rights organizations, that exist solely due this kind of public RT is aiming at, got worried :D The sad story is, RT is not mainsteam even from position of Russian media, though should have been in ideal world.



:D Somewhere underground in Donetsk, waiting for Bandera admirers.



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/behind-kiev-snipers-it-was-somebody-new-coaltion-stunning-new-leak-reveals-truth
Some interesting piece of info. Russian propaganda again, indeed...



Yanukovich will be giving a press-conference tomorrow, smth is going to happen...



mai said:

Yanukovich will be giving a press-conference tomorrow, smth is going to happen...

Yes, war. Ukrainian forces are gathered for military drill and american fighter jets are relocated to Poland. While russia cements it's position and invades one ukrainian military post on crimea after another. On sunday the referendum is planned. I think some people will not agree to let that happen, so war may break out this week.



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