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So Mc Donalds is the highest quality food on earth.



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I loved God of War Ascension: (Shed's tear)



toastboy44562 said:
Muffin31190 said:
Shadow1980 said:

Hm.

Domestic Box Office Results for 2011

#2. Transformers: Dark of the Moon: $352.4 million
#3. Breaking Dawn Part I: $281.3 million

#49. Hugo: $73.9 million
#71. The Artist: $44.7 million

By toastboy logic, Bayformers and Twilight are higher quality cinema than universally acclaimed films that get nominated for and even win major Oscars. Sorry, but just like how Scorcese's films will always be better than Bay's films or films about sparkly vampires regardless of box office returns, so to will good games be better than bad games regardless of quality. When it comes to art and entertainment, sometimes crap sells (just look at 99.9% of popular music today) while sometimes genuinely good content gets overlooked. Quality is no guarantor of commercial success and vice versa.

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I dont like any movies to be honest but I never even heard of hugo and the artist

At the very least they were better than Transformers and Twilight by miles..even though if they weren't that great.



fatslob-:O said:
Nem said:
 


There are so many example that i dont even know where to start.

Say, Panzer dragoon Saga. Amazing game, low sales on a low install base system.

Say Shenmue, same thing. This actually goes for a good number of SEGA games.

Puppeteer they say is an amazing game (i havent played it but i can see why) low sales.

Someone else already metioned Tearaway. Theres inumerable examples and they were brought up already on this thread. Its such a ridiculous assumption that it doesnt even need refuting cause it refutes itself by how obviously wrong it is.

Actually, why dont you look at movies for example. The movies that win Oscars are not the movies that gross the most.What sales mean is simply a product that was able to target a wide spectrum of consumers. It does not mean the product had really good quality. And wether quality is subjective or not is irrelevant cause it does infer on the opinions and impressions of the consumers minds. That, makes it very real.

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 


You are entitled to your own tastes and opinion as anyone else. It does not mean it dont exist or it doesnt have any weight though.

If you think what you are saying has any validity, no one is allowed to have their own opinion. Its what the majority buys that is automatically the best thing ever, but how does one go about making a decision as to what to buy? There has to be a first person buying right?

That is why we come up with reviews. Because something that is good for me, might not be good for you. Therefore, if something that is good for a million people isnt good for me, doesnt make my opinion any less relevant. You just dont have enough data for perception of quality with sales numbers alone.

OdinHades said:
So Mc Donalds is the highest quality food on earth.


For all my elaborate reply, i think OdinHades here nailed it.

From food you can extract nutricional values. It fits what you want, wich is mathematical evidance of quality. This quality though, has a recommended value and might change from individual to individual. Love how it always goes around to individuality.



at some of the posts in this thread 



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I so saw the fact that fatslob would argue that sales actually does = quality coming.

I still know that it's a fact that he's wrong.



Nem said:
fatslob-:O said:
Nem said:
 


There are so many example that i dont even know where to start.

Say, Panzer dragoon Saga. Amazing game, low sales on a low install base system.

Say Shenmue, same thing. This actually goes for a good number of SEGA games.

Puppeteer they say is an amazing game (i havent played it but i can see why) low sales.

Someone else already metioned Tearaway. Theres inumerable examples and they were brought up already on this thread. Its such a ridiculous assumption that it doesnt even need refuting cause it refutes itself by how obviously wrong it is.

Actually, why dont you look at movies for example. The movies that win Oscars are not the movies that gross the most.What sales mean is simply a product that was able to target a wide spectrum of consumers. It does not mean the product had really good quality. And wether quality is subjective or not is irrelevant cause it does infer on the opinions and impressions of the consumers minds. That, makes it very real.

I could also say that those games are pretty terrible in my eyes too so how do we go about measuring quality then if each and every one of us has a conflicting view ?

Winning among critics means nothing if the public objects to buying those pieces of entertainment. 


You are entitled to your own tastes and opinion as anyone else. It does not mean it dont exist or it doesnt have any weight though.

If you think what you are saying has any validity, no one is allowed to have their own opinion. Its what the majority buys that is automatically the best thing ever, but how does one go about making a decision as to what to buy? There has to be a first person buying right?

That is why we come up with reviews. Because something that is good for me, might not be good for you. Therefore, if something that is good for a million people isnt good for me, doesnt make my opinion any less relevant. You just dont have enough data for perception of quality with sales numbers alone.

I know that were all entitled to our own opinions but quality should be defined by sales and not one's or a groups opinion to eliminate the bias. 

I never said that you weren't allowed opinions on a games quality but it should be percieved as personal quality and not general quality. How people know that one product is better than the other product is by spreading the word. A large brand does NOT grow overnight, it needs time. It's true that there has to a person testing out the product at first but in the long term if one person sees more quality in a specific product compared to it's competing product it is likely that the person as well as others will start reccommending one brand over another. 

Sales numbers alone will tell us what the general population prefer over one another therefore it's safe to say that we have enough info to define quality. I don't see people calling GTA V or Halo trash, now do we ? Like I said, people don't buy the games that they don't like. Your right about how your opinion of a game compared to the millions does not make YOUR opinion any less relevant, however the mass markets purchasing decisions ARE more relevant than your opinion. Quality is recognized by MANY and NOT just by the FEW.  



fatslob-:O said:
Nem said:


You are entitled to your own tastes and opinion as anyone else. It does not mean it dont exist or it doesnt have any weight though.

If you think what you are saying has any validity, no one is allowed to have their own opinion. Its what the majority buys that is automatically the best thing ever, but how does one go about making a decision as to what to buy? There has to be a first person buying right?

That is why we come up with reviews. Because something that is good for me, might not be good for you. Therefore, if something that is good for a million people isnt good for me, doesnt make my opinion any less relevant. You just dont have enough data for perception of quality with sales numbers alone.

I know that were all entitled to our own opinions but quality should be defined by sales and not one's or a groups opinion to eliminate the bias. 

I never said that you weren't allowed opinions on a games quality but it should be percieved as personal quality and not general quality. How people know that one product is better than the other product is by spreading the word. A large brand does NOT grow overnight, it needs time. It's true that there has to a person testing out the product at first but in the long term if one person sees more quality in a specific product compared to it's competing product it is likely that the person as well as others will start reccommending one brand over another. 

Sales numbers alone will tell us what the general population prefer over one another therefore it's safe to say that we have enough info to define quality. I don't see people calling GTA V or Halo trash, now do we ? Like I said, people don't buy the games that they don't like. Your right about how your opinion of a game compared to the millions does not make YOUR opinion any less relevant, however the mass markets purchasing decisions ARE more relevant than your opinion. Quality is recognized by MANY and NOT just by the FEW.  


General quality does not exist. We're not the borg.

What happens are societies spread the word on what some people like, trend setters lets call them. Other people at whom the product was targeted to may agree and the product gains popularity. This does not mean the product has quality in general as you say. It just means that theres a large number of people to wich the product appealed to. Theres also a huge number of people the product didnt appeal to aswell.

The number of people that gets the product does not reflect its quality. It reflects its appeal to the market.

I will give you another clear example. Do you know those belly straps said to help you lose weight? Those sold like crazy. Do you think they are any good for losing weight? Losing weight is a mathematical equasion aswell. You need to spend more calories than the ones you ingest. Sitting down with a strap on your belly. Does it sound like it will achieve that goal?



Good sales don't mean a game is good, but no sales does mean doom. Look at Sonic 06.



I agree with sales= quality, it might not be the best but it has to quality in some form to sell that amazing. but that doesn't mean weak sales = low quality, its just means timing and advertising were not good.