Most likely. Christianity took off because of the time period it became "established" in. Not just because of the reward of Heaven, but also because of the other aspects of the religion as well. Like Jesus being a good leader to the people.
Most likely. Christianity took off because of the time period it became "established" in. Not just because of the reward of Heaven, but also because of the other aspects of the religion as well. Like Jesus being a good leader to the people.
NobleTeam360 said:
No shit. @ second bolded I never said that God = everything. Example of someone putting words in peoples mouths, when they never said that. |
actually, you did. Indirectly. You said "having something to believe in is more satisfying than having nothing to believe in". "Something to believe in" in this case, is God. And your alternative? "nothing to believe in". If it's either you believe in God or you believe in nothing, it stands to reason that you believe God = everything. And if God is only just "something" and not "everything", then why is the alternative to believing in him, "believing in nothing", when there are other things to believe in?
Or is "having something to believe in" not a reference to God, in the context of what you said? I highly doubt that. "having something to believe in" (God) "is more satisfying than having nothing to believe in". If these are the opposite of each other, then what is the opposite of nothing? Everything. And the opposite of believing in nothing is believing in God, for you. Find a chip in my logic, then, that you didn't imply God = everything? Or did you just speak too loosely, parroting the false statement "atheists believe in nothing"?

BMaker11 said:
actually, you did. Indirectly. You said "having something to believe in is more satisfying than having nothing to believe in". "Something to believe in" in this case, is God. And your alternative? "nothing to believe in". If it's either you believe in God or you believe in nothing, it stands to reason that you believe God = everything. And if God is only just "something" and not "everything", then why is the alternative to believing in him, "believing in nothing", when there are other things to believe in? Or is "having something to believe in" not a reference to God, in the context of what you said? |
No I didn't, just becuase you say indirectly doesn't mean I said that. Again your trying to twist peoples words.
MohammadBadir said:
wut? I've been a muslim all my life and i've never heard of that. |
I've heard of that. Its a reward of heaven.
NobleTeam360 said:
No I didn't, just becuase you say indirectly doesn't mean I said that. Again your trying to twist peoples words. |
I'd rather believe in God than believe in nothing is what you said.
You're hiding behind the fact that you didn't outright post "God is everything", but the conclusion I made is valid and sound

BMaker11 said:
I'd rather believe in God than believe in nothing is what you said. You're hiding behind the fact that you didn't outright post "God is everything", but the conclusion I made is valid and sound |
Never said that sorry to say your word twisting isn't going to work. I don't think God is everything.
hmm. I don't know, but if your belief in God is strong, I think that would do

| NobleTeam360 said: Never said that sorry to say your word twisting isn't going to work. I don't think God is everything. |
If not, then why is it that a lack of believing in God is "believing in nothing"? You'd rather have something to believe in and believe in nothing right? Could God be replaced with something else to believe in, in your worldview? If so, why stick to being Christian without the reward of Heaven? If he can't be replaced, and a lack of believing in him is "believing in nothing", the opposite of that is belief in God/everything.
You started this by saying you'd rather believe in something (God) than believe in nothing. You could have said "I'd rather believe in God than something else" but no, you said believing in something is more satisfying than believing in nothing. This is not twisting words, you're just hiding behind your misspoken statement. There were implications based on what you said.
Just like in the Forza 3 vs GT6 thread that's up right now. The OP says "Overall Forza 3 has better textures, performance, better people animations and better damage." Would I be "twisting his words" if I implied from this statement that he thinks GT6s graphics are worse than Forza 3s? I mean, he didn't outright say it, but all points lead to believe that OP has that opinion. I did the same thing with what you said. You've just realized that your simple statement had more weight than you thought, or want to own up to, so you're saying I'm "twisting your words" to get out of it

IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
I presented the butterfly effect as an alternative reward to entering heaven after living a good life. A positive butterfly effect, to be precise. Meaning that even though you won't be living anymore, you can die happy knowing that you have made life better for upcoming generations thanks to the way you decided to live your life (possibly as a result of following the Bible's advice). As I see it, any humble Christian should ask for no more. Demanding an eternal reward for your efforts in life seems quite selfish and greedy to me. Nothing that you've done or withstood could possibly we worth an infinite reward in return. Let alone living your "tough" life full of hardships in a first world country. |
Sadly in our Western world the movitation for helping the less fortunate stems from the politically correct people in power who brainwash people and create strong excpetations , social pressure and obligations for ordinary citicens to behave as "humane" as possible in trying to life up to the Western World golden standard of altruism.That's nothing but slavery.
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
And Heaven/Hell is not the only reward/punishment that religion has to offer. Is it? |
Well, those are the only two end games for the Abrahamic religions because it can't get any worse than eternal damnation and it can't get any better than eternal bliss.