"Well, gee, when you put up a compelling argument like that, maybe i am wrong..."

It's not my fault that you are not that educated.

"Oh my God, give me a fucking break. There are literally BILLIONS of people out there who have it  A LOT WORSE than gay people in Utah, or anywhere in the West actually. And none of that stuff actually still takes place in US, nor does gay marrige law has anything to do with it, so its a lame strawman, at best. LDS church actually spends most of their money actually helping people and making world better place, whereas the LGBT lobby only gives a fuck about their agenda and hunting down anyone that doesnt abide by their views and beliefs. They'd rather spend their time boyocting Chick- Fil- A and making sure their buisness closes down instead doing actually meaningful in the world."

Did I say it was happening now?  But we are only talking about 40 years ago when this was happening and it wasn't until 2003 when the supreme court finally put an end to all of these laws that made homosexuality illegal.  And there are many gay youths that commit suicide because of not being accepted by family and friends.  And talk about a strawman, why should I give a fuck about how much the LDS cult gives worldwide to indoctrinate.  LDS and other religions spend far more time and money pushing their agenda than any LGBT lobby.

"They dont see marrige as a right, but tradition, or holy bond between 2 opposite sexes. Regardless, they are still widely known as probably the nicest group of Christians in US, and have done a lot more good in the country than LGBT lobby ever did"

Bullshit they don't see it as a right.  Take it away from them and they would sure change their tune.  Marraige has many legal ramifications that have nothing to do with religious traditions, so that argument is irrelevant anyways.  No one is even talking about taking away any of their "traditions", just don't force them on other people that don't agree with them.

You should go talk to anyone that has left the LDS church to find out how "nice" they are.  It's a cult, you leave and you are shunned, even by your immediate family.

Fascinating.

It seems like what ironically "doomed" conservatives in this case was that they passed a law specifically making it illegal when previously there just wasn't a legal standard for it.


Which is pretty funny really.

Had their not been a specific law specifically banning something that couldn't of happened in the first place it probably would of never went to court.

thats odd, I'm LDS and have 3 members of my immediate family that have either left the religion all together or don't practice it anymore.  Pretty sure we don't shun them at all.  I see them on pretty much a weekly basis and have  a better relationship with them then I would say most people have with their family members.

Here is a little tip, the extreme stories you read on the internet are not representative of reality.  

thats odd, I'm LDS and have 3 members of my immediate family that have either left the religion all together or don't practice it anymore.  Pretty sure we don't shun them at all.  I see them on pretty much a weekly basis and have  a better relationship with them then I would say most people have with their family members.

Here is a little tip, the extreme stories you read on the internet are not representative of reality.  

Ok, So you couldn't answer my quetions. 

Because you are trying to corner me into another bullcrap gay marrige moral debate, where you'd  just repeat how much of a vile person while constantly shiting on Christianity (and religion in general), whle using the word bigot 50 times per sentence. Been there, done that

But I'll will answer yours:  Because it is a complete and deceptive lie.  It is not suported by Biblical teachings, it's only made up by people against civil rights as some attempt to spin that other people have their families recogized is somehow an attack on them.   (I points out lying is a sin.)

Marrie between a man and a woman is not supported by the Bible?

As far at the LGBT lobies spending monies, do you think people should not be allowed to defend themselves when disturbed people try to control others and go after eleminating and removing their rights?  What should women do if someone wanted to remove their right to vote, work or own property?  Just sit there?

Yeah man, queers have it real hard in United States. They cant even vote, work, or have property...oh wait, its just another stupid strawman that LGBT lobby loves to use to make their ''struggle''  similar to segregation and slavery that Blacks had to suffer thru. Its absolutely disgusting. Its no wonder why African American community is usually against LGBT lobby when they try to mix in their history, to make it comparable so that they can promote their agenda

The Morman spend million promotion their own agenda, pretty fancy to call it 'charity.'  Do you realize how many cultures they have wipped out to incorporate into their own?

>If their agenda is helping those in need, feeding the hungry, healing the sick, sheltering the homeless, helping the poor, I say let them promote their agenda. It seems like a much better spending of resources and money than organizing protests against Chick Fill A because their CEO has a different belief than them

They have even converted Ann Frank something like 9 times to try to make her Mormon, thus attempting to erase her Jewish herritage.

 I never implied they were perfect did I?

Also, you don't seem to understand US law.  Federal law, as it was in this case, trumps state law.  A state can not make a law that says women do not have the right to vote - but could have a 'domestic recomendation' because Federal laws guarantee the right of women to vote.

...so why cant queers marry in over 30 states in country? I mean, DOMA is dead, isn't it?