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outlawauron on 17 December 2013
joeorc said:
outlawauron said:
It's a flop because it's a mainline GT. It'll still profit easily, just isn't going to live up the standard of the series.

what's the digital sales of the game? what's those number's like?

Just my opinion though, but

calling any game that sales 800,000 copy's in such a very short time without full sale through data a "flop" is pretty far reaching no matter how you slice that, and this is with incomple sale through data at that.

GT has far greater expectations than 800k. The digital number is not included, but what we know from previous cases, the number is no more than 10-15% of its total sale.



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joeorc on 17 December 2013
sales2099 said:
The Fury said:
Soleron said:

800k won't allow it to make money back. We've all heard how it takes years for them to make a single car interior. That's not compatible with a Puppeteer or Tearaway budget and therefore cannot use the unit sales magnitude of "flop" that applies to them.

Yeah, because 800k is a set figure, no one else is going to buy it after this and it's not like they had a previous title they worked on before they could get those interiors from.

People need to get over the fact is a game doesn't well a certain amount it fails. GT will sell in the long run, we all know that, even if it doesn't reach the heights of GT5 or 3, lets say it only sells 5 million. 5 million would still be hugely profitable probably.


Nobody is denying profitability. But it certainly shows a decline in the franchise.

How so? that's like saying another GT can never get higher than another, you can show a trend in a way, but you also have to take into account, that you have incomplete data backing up your trend. where is the digital sales tracking? would you say, there is more people download direct copy's of a game to the Internal Hard Drive than there were say a year ago? what is the % chance, we have no idea, but that's is the thing, these systems are not static, the software sales physical is not the only thing that can change, now digital sales can also change. More online quick Access to online purchase of content is now there, remember Sony also is now open up a store on amazon

http://pixelenemy.com/amazon-uks-playstation-store-is-now-live/

I mean that's now new for playstation, its one thing to say we can track sales data, but its another that can you track sales data through digital stores?



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joeorc on 17 December 2013
sales2099 said:
joeorc said:
DirtyP2002 said:
Well... 1/3 of the opening week of GT5 is a flop for GT6.
You have to see things in perspective and this is by far the worst selling GT game in the history of this franchise.

And this is not even a spin-off, prequel or something like that. This is a full and complete main-title that sold so poor.

Sounds like Damage Control to me.

wait how do we know for sure? I mean with PSN what is the sales of Digital copy's for the Game world wide?

trying to claim that its this , when you do not have the complete sales data is just that incomplete data!

That is a excuse and we all know it. PSN digital sales....I wouldn't put too much stock in that. Sony gamers are retail obsessed. That is your culture. Sure, you could maybe estimate a couple hundred thousand at best, but this does little to bridge the gap between this and GT5's opening.

Listen to yourself, How do you know what the sales data is? you don't and trying to imply that you do is a diservice to the forum on here and trying to claim that its the lesser of the three without hard sale through data is deflection of the real issue, is that we cannot know for sure how much has sold digital world wide. and that is just the blunt truth of the matter, trying to imply other wise is just Moot. because you know what i am saying is the truth.



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KingofTrolls on 17 December 2013
sales2099 said:

Some people consider a flop to be something that performed below expectations.

We all know what that means. Nobody said GT6 wouldn't sell amazing and nobody says it won't make a profit. We don't mean flop in that regard.

But when you look at the past mainline entries in the series, you may then see why people may say that word. This isn't rocket science.

GT5 opened at 2.3 million and GT6 opens at 0.85......you expect people to not say anything wrong happened? What did you expect.....Sony released this at the end of the generation in the spotlight, after GT5 was sold into saturation. Guess GT fans aren't into rebuying sequels as much as Forza gamers are. Maybe FINALLY the average sim fan is starting to see the cracks in the armor and the IP clearly peaked at GT4....perhaps even GT5. Plenty factors to consider.

New Mario - 5x less than Galaxy 2.

 

UBer giga flop ? 

 

Anyway, GT6 is nowhere near to GT5 budget. We all know this.

 

Cracks in the armor ? What exactly is this ? Improved Standard Cars ? More Premium cars than Forza 5 ? 

 



sales2099 on 17 December 2013
joeorc said:
sales2099 said:


Nobody is denying profitability. But it certainly shows a decline in the franchise.

How so? that's like saying another GT can never get higher than another, you can show a trend in a way, but you also have to take into account, that you have incomplete data backing up your trend. where is the digital sales tracking? would you say, there is more people download direct copy's of a game to the Internal Hard Drive than there were say a year ago? what is the % chance, we have no idea, but that's is the thing, these systems are not static, the software sales physical is not the only thing that can change, now digital sales can also change. More online quick Access to online purchase of content is now there, remember Sony also is now open up a store on amazon

http://pixelenemy.com/amazon-uks-playstation-store-is-now-live/

I mean that's now new for playstation, its one thing to say we can track sales data, but its another that can you track sales data through digital stores?

Anybody can dig up excuses. In todays age, anything and everything can be used as a explanation. I doubt PS3 became the digital purchase haven overnight....because it never was.

Look, sometimes these things happen. Its late in the gen, the next gen launched, GT5 sales are saturated and maybe msot don't want to upgrade unless its on PS4. It is any number of factors, but when I say decline, it means the sales are lower then that of GT5. Simple. No excuses. There are plenty. Just deal that the results are what they are.

No big deal, if anything it just means Polyphany just has to try harder next time if they want that 10 million instead of 5 million.



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sales2099 on 17 December 2013
KingofTrolls said:
sales2099 said:

Some people consider a flop to be something that performed below expectations.

We all know what that means. Nobody said GT6 wouldn't sell amazing and nobody says it won't make a profit. We don't mean flop in that regard.

But when you look at the past mainline entries in the series, you may then see why people may say that word. This isn't rocket science.

GT5 opened at 2.3 million and GT6 opens at 0.85......you expect people to not say anything wrong happened? What did you expect.....Sony released this at the end of the generation in the spotlight, after GT5 was sold into saturation. Guess GT fans aren't into rebuying sequels as much as Forza gamers are. Maybe FINALLY the average sim fan is starting to see the cracks in the armor and the IP clearly peaked at GT4....perhaps even GT5. Plenty factors to consider.

New Mario - 5x less than Galaxy 2.

 

UBer giga flop ?

Why do Sony gamers use Nintendo as a counter? WiiU game as a counter point to a PS3 game. Generational gap, WiiU poor sales contrast to PS3 momentum, and Mario is more evergreen then GT is.

That comparison is very wrong when you look beneath the surface.



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joeorc on 17 December 2013
outlawauron said:
joeorc said:
outlawauron said:
It's a flop because it's a mainline GT. It'll still profit easily, just isn't going to live up the standard of the series.

what's the digital sales of the game? what's those number's like?

Just my opinion though, but

calling any game that sales 800,000 copy's in such a very short time without full sale through data a "flop" is pretty far reaching no matter how you slice that, and this is with incomple sale through data at that.

GT has far greater expectations than 800k. The digital number is not included, but what we know from previous cases, the number is no more than 10-15% of its total sale.

think about that for a sec, did the PS2 have advanced online store front for direct consumer purchase to be downloaded direct to the consumer console? that started with the PSP and PS3. aT THE TIME THERE WAS NO ADVANCED INVESTED STRUCTURE FOR THIS. THERE IS NOW, TRYING TO AGAIN SAY THERE IS A DECLINE, OUTRIGHT IS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE CHANGES TO THIS SALES ENVIRONMENT, FROM THE ps2 TO NOW. THE FACT THAT THESE SALES CAN BE IN THE MILLIONS OVER TIME, AND CANNOT BE TRACK WORLD WIDE PROVE THAT.



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Soleron on 17 December 2013
The Fury said:
Soleron said:

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GT will sell in the long run, we all know that

No, we don't. It's released for PS3 right as PS4 is out.



Soleron on 17 December 2013
joeorc said:
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think about that for a sec, did the PS2 have advanced online store front for direct consumer purchase to be downloaded direct to the consumer console? that started with the PSP and PS3. aT THE TIME THERE WAS NO ADVANCED INVESTED STRUCTURE FOR THIS. THERE IS NOW, TRYING TO AGAIN SAY THERE IS A DECLINE, OUTRIGHT IS NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE CHANGES TO THIS SALES ENVIRONMENT, FROM THE ps2 TO NOW. THE FACT THAT THESE SALES CAN BE IN THE MILLIONS OVER TIME, AND CANNOT BE TRACK WORLD WIDE PROVE THAT.

Do you have evidence the digital percentage is or can be greater than 10-15% then? Because if not it's reasonable to assume from all past digitally available games on home consoles that that will be the case.



Turkish on 17 December 2013

Lol GT6 will go on to sell +7-8 million, everyone will eat crow like people who foolishly doubted GT5. History always repeats itself and Polyphony wil put everyone in their place. The game will see multiple iterations, possibly on PS4 as well.