We are going on what we know now. We will access sales after December when it happens. But for now, we can only compare the week 1 sales and the results are what they are. Putting all your eggs in the online sales basket is frankly, desperate on your part. You are fishing in the worst way.

Just deal with it like a man. These things happen on both sides.

If you want people to take everything into account. We also have to look at the install base at the release of each game. Back in November 2010 when GT5 was release the WW PS3 install base was at 42,848,541 and with sales of 2,335,820 that means it had an attach ratio of 5.45%.

Now, the PS3 is currently at 81,166,157 WW and it sold 852,762 units which means a 1.05% attach ratio. No matter the increase in popularity in digital sales in the past 3 years, the fact of the matter is that GT6 is underperforming.

the main reason is its at the time of the ps4 launch still good numbers and will likely to sell well in the long run.

all those who are saying it's bombed obviously have no games and never will

Wait a min here, let me get this straight, you are asking me to let it go, but its you and other's that only want to frame the argument into a way that has no other outcome but, they way you and other's see it! 

Which is ok, for you to do that its your Opinion, but im just pointing out the flaw in, you and other's trying to frame the argument in that way as being the only way that will be in  the outcome. because Like i stated, the data is incomplete and trying to frame the argument as that you have complete data, when that data imput is just starting out , not even for an extend point of time, is just trying to point that your only way of data collection is the one to be used as the "factual data" when its a projection based on incomplete data.

You say less sales, and you say i have past trends to prove it, does not mean it will be that outcome, because like i stated before since this iP has been in the market, Sony's online investment into digital purchaseing has been invested into to make an online sales presence biger than what sony had since the start of the PS3.

Good points, I've seen one GT6 advert on TV just before release, I've seen no end of Xbox One adverts, a few PS4 ads also. If this was released say next February it would have got top store billing but it's hidden behind the massive Xbone and PS4 banners instead. You 2nd point is a really good one, I was shocked when it was announced, I thought to myself "Didn't they just release a cheaper version of GT5 with all DLC included?" This generation may have been better with only 1 GT game instead of 2. Online gaming can prolong the ownership as well as it adds more replay value and as long as they don't turn off the servers, why upgrade?

General public (the mass of europeans who by GT games) don't pay attention to Metacritic, they enjoy a franchise, they buy a franchise.

So you've gone and changed the definition of flop to mean "lower than expectations", instead of either selling extremely low or not being profitable. I guess you need to find something to spin anything Sony, negatively. A game that will sell 6-8M at the end of the day? "Well, it's not 10M, so FLOP!"

Do you consider Halo 4 a flop? It sold 3M less than Halo 3 (a difference that will likely be the same between GT5 and 6). Halo 4 sold well and made a profit, but its sales are "lower than expectations", so it's a flop, right?

I'm not even a big racing fan, and I don't plan on buying GT6, put the spin in here to find any negativity for PS is making me woozy

but like i stated that is still only a weeks worth of data, that does not take into accout digital sales, what's the online usage of GT6 network data? any idea after a week? That is physical copy attach rate,  again, if your only counting in one week physical sale copy's to be only dynamic of attach rate, what is the digital copy attach rate? we do not know, is that not the point in order to account for attach rates? a copy is a copy right?

You cannot have it both way's if you want to accout attach rate in your assessment of the situation, how can you have an accurate account of the attachment rate without knowing the full attach rate, you can have a projection, but its not the whole outcome, and i mean come on only 1 week worth of data? to get the whole picture, when your this close to christmas? for one the PS4 just released anyway, not to mention the cost's in software for it. Its just it seems many only want to frame the argument of certain software as a flop and cram it down the site for other people to read, and forget about being accurate about the data they provide.

There isn't a magical 2 million worth of digital sales. Not even close. Id be surprised if it hit 500k in digital sales, but even that number is optomistic. Sony can invest whatever it wants into its online, but thing is the gamer base prefers retail, they always have.

Compare the instal base in 2010 to now and its even more apparant. The sales show a decline, no matter how you slice it. You are now approaching a level of complete denial. To be clear, this is a video game and you have no need to defend it. I get it, we have a bias and it hurts sometimes when these things happen. I didn't like it when Forza 5 didn't get a 90 meta, or that it doesn't sell according to its meta, but you know what, they are what they are and I deal. It doesn't affact me personally so it really doesn't bother me in the end.

So, you don't have any evidence yet. And in the meantime, all we have to go on are past trends.

First of all, I'm comparing one week of data against one week of data so it's a fair comparison.

Second, I never said GT6 was a flop, I said it was a disappointment.

But let's go ahead and factor in digital sales. How many copies do you think GT6 sold digitally?