I'm pretty sure there was an argument saying "In 2010 there were 46m PS3s out there, now there's 80m. So that means GT6 will sell almost twice what GT5 did first week!" Not saying that those are the exact words but I'm just saying for some reason people automatically think that more consoles = more game sales. Which isn't always true looking at GT6.

The trolling is coming from 2 separate groups on here. The die hard Forza fans which is a given and is quite normal. (as sad as that sounds) The other is a new one for me. It's coming from Nintendo fans because they are upset at everyone calling Mario 3D world a flop. I don't know, maybe they're upset at the recent console sales but in the last number of weeks a lot of these fans are acting very petty, a new low that I have seen from this user base on here since 2007.

800k won't allow it to make money back. We've all heard how it takes years for them to make a single car interior. That's not compatible with a Puppeteer or Tearaway budget and therefore cannot use the unit sales magnitude of "flop" that applies to them.

kowenicki said: ps3-sales! said: Pos Game Weekly Total Week # 1 Gran Turismo 6 (PS3) Sony Computer Entertainment, Racing 803,714 803,714 1 Since when is a game debuting at #1 with sales of 800k a flop??? I think people are scewing what the definition of a "flop" actually is. This is for two reasons for this.    Since Halo ODST (a spin off ffs ) opened with 2m... and was proclaimed a flop by equally foolish people here.

and in which side are you?

Well assuming Gears of War Judgement and God of War Ascension bombed, which they kinda did, then this also bombed, just not quite as bad.

If 3D Mario games are niche because they sell 10 million copies, then surely GT6 can be considered a flop.

Cannot agree more.

Well... 1/3 of the opening week of GT5 is a flop for GT6.
You have to see things in perspective and this is by far the worst selling GT game in the history of this franchise.

And this is not even a spin-off, prequel or something like that. This is a full and complete main-title that sold so poor.

Sounds like Damage Control to me.

Don't know, haven't saw a pug thread about it and don't enter Doom x360 threads so I don't even remember seeing it.

A movie can make $100 million and still be a flop - it all depends on what the budget of the movie and the expectations of the investors were. The same goes with games.

Do we have any indications of GT6's budget and how many copies they need to sell to turn a profit?