ohh all those pre-orders are from me, i just pre-order the games like that and spend so much money to help show that destiny is infact hyped, when it really isnt at all. ZERO hype i tell you!.

on a more serious note, its amazing to see how much hate destiny and bungie is getting from some of the xbox fanbase. not all, not most, but some particular users, just like our good friend Mr Zero hype. its really amazing, The dev they used claim was the best in the world (very well could be) and claimed their games (halo) were the best. are now suddenly over rated, done for, and have no hype. all this because they went multiplatform. and its not like they are exclusive to playstation, no, they are still making games for xbox too, but they are willing to shut it down and not even buy the game because its releasing on PlayStation. if bungie were still with MS and were making this game just on xbox, we wouldnt be hearing the end of it. 

Which is why I said cleverness doesn't prove points. You are taking a simple example of how similar things can be different, and using it like it's a perfect metric for the industry.

The ps4 and xb1 are extremely different despite being similar, and the companies behind them are extremely different too.

The rationality for why playstation fans do not want xb one in the marketplace is for each individual to decide.

...you are the one that brought the example into the equation, I just used it.  I can see this is just going to be a circular conversation, so I will just refer to my original post about how the systems share most of their games with each other and have similar specs.  The only real differentiator is a handful of exclusives which i think works well at developing a preference, but I dont see how that turns into dislike or hate of the competing platforms.  The truth is that fans of either system probably subconciously develop hatred to further justify their own buying decisions.  

However, if you dont see that then we can agree to disagree then.

I think it probably has more to do with bungie giving sony exclusive content for destiny instead of the x1. Personally, destiny looks ephing amazing to me and will be a day 1 buy.  Of course, I generally buy every platform so I generally dont get into the console war mentality.  

Please don´t, I have one, 4 games and a year of Xbox Live Gold membership, let me enjoy my new toy =/

XBO is not "doomed" per say, but it's not tooking good. I think until Halo 5 releases, it's going to be competing against WiiU with sales, not XBO, and WiiU has the potential to do pretty good after Mario Kart & Smash Bros release.

Anything can happen, I think Titanfall will push more XBO units then InFamous will push PS4's, but if MS can't show people the XBO is worth paying a premium for by the time Uncharted (or worse GT7) release, then it won't ever measure up. It will not be as bad as the PS2 vs. GCN/XB1 days, but it also won't be a 3 way race like the last gen.

Right, you tried to be clever about it instead of just hearing the point.

Look, forget examples, I'll just spell it out for you.

While the consoles are similar, there are some major differences we can look at:
Exclusives
Pricepoint
Market strategy

But most importantly, what you are missing here is the overall market strategy. This is probably the most important difference, at least in the eyes of the active core gamers. PS fans, for whatever reason, do not like MS being in the industry. We can come up with all kinds of reasons, but it's about their involvement. It has nothing to do with the plastic box.

When x1 was revealed, the general reaction showed that it wasn't beyond expectations for MS to do what they had planned. I would say, if you're looking for why ps fans hate xbox, start with why ps fans hate Microsoft's involvement in console gaming, rather than boil it down to the consoles.

It's really not that hypocritical if you keep an open mind about it. 

The Xbox One is a brand new console and can easily be found everywhere yet the Wii U outsold it last week. Maybe not doomed, but things are looking pretty bad when it's outsold by the Wii U.

wiiu was doomed last week, xbone this week, stay tuned for a doomed ps4 next week folks!

Xb1 is not doomed and will never be doomed. It will just sell less than (or equal to) half of PS4 globally. Considering that PS4 will sell much more than PS3, it is by no means a failure.

It may be less or more successful than X360 in comparison because
a) PS4 will still a lot more share from Microsoft this time (NEGATIVE)
b) WiiU will not have anywhere near the success of Wii, some of which will be captured by XB1 (POSITIVE)

* XB1 is not a failure but may be a disappointment for MS depending on what they were intending to achieve.
* They will lose lots of market share against PS4 in their strongholds but the downfall of Nintendo will minimize such losses.
* They will not be successful in their Kinect and gimmicky implementations. They just are too Anglo-Centric and the rest of the world will never accept them wholeheartedly. However, MS is good at having some deep influences with long legs. They got the world used to the Metro & Win8 monstrosity.