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biglittlesps on 11 December 2013
Mr Khan said:
sabastian said:
When I pluck down my money on a Playstation console, 3 things I'm certain that I do not have to worry about for the lifetime of the console.

(1) Diversity in genres
(2) New IP's & Lots of Indie Titles
(3) Steady flow of 3rd party titles

Why do I need a Nintendo Box ?

The best first party games in the business, bar none.



Best first party only if you like Nintendo games. Sony and Microsoft also has best first party games liked by many, but Sony is the one who is making best first party games for hardare gamers in diverstiy with New IP's so its reaching so many people to like due to diverstiy unlike Nitendo games which are loved due to popularity of its IP.

What Nintendo really has is the IP's that are very popular and some creativity in making some innovation with those IP's. But, creativity in old IP's are not enough for bringing new people to their console otherwise only old fans will buy their games and hardware.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

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mysteryman on 11 December 2013
biglittlesps said:
Mr Khan said:
sabastian said:
When I pluck down my money on a Playstation console, 3 things I'm certain that I do not have to worry about for the lifetime of the console.

(1) Diversity in genres
(2) New IP's & Lots of Indie Titles
(3) Steady flow of 3rd party titles

Why do I need a Nintendo Box ?

The best first party games in the business, bar none.



Best first party only if you like Nintendo games. Sony and Microsoft also has best first party games liked by many, but Sony is the one who is making best first party games for hardare gamers in diverstiy with New IP's so its reaching so many people to like due to diverstiy unlike Nitendo games which are loved due to popularity of its IP.

What Nintendo really has is the IP's that are very popular and some creativity in making some innovation with those IP's. But, creativity in old IP's are not enough for bringing new people to their console otherwise only old fans will buy their games and hardware.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't quite get the meaning of the word 'best'.

On a more serious note, what is the difference between a new IP and using an existing character/world in a completely new way?



DucksUnlimited on 11 December 2013
Mr Khan said:
sabastian said:
When I pluck down my money on a Playstation console, 3 things I'm certain that I do not have to worry about for the lifetime of the console.

(1) Diversity in genres
(2) New IP's & Lots of Indie Titles
(3) Steady flow of 3rd party titles

Why do I need a Nintendo Box ?

The best first party games in the business, bar none.

Are you trying to convince him?



theprof00 on 11 December 2013
toastboy44562 said:
I agree with OP,Nintendo, and its fans, think that old games with slightly better graphics will save the system but it will not. What casual fan is going to spend 300 dollars for the Wii U+ 100 dollar fit board to play wii u fit just to have better graphics. It's not gonna happen Nintendo Microsoft has a better chance of making it work because kinect comes with every system.

Actually that is the exact problem MS is going to run into in the near future.



Soundwave on 11 December 2013

Sony does do a great job of getting diversity to their consoles, hard to argue that.

Truthfully I wouldn't be that upset if Nintendo teamed up with Sony if Nintendo was allowed to make their own version of hardware (ie: maybe a hybrid PS4 + Wii U and axe the Vita and make a Nintendo branded handheld with support from both company's).

It didn't work out in the early 90s, but the management and the industry is dramatically different today. Kaz and Iwata could relate to one another IMO.



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Videokameras on 11 December 2013

wii u will sell...



oniyide on 11 December 2013
toot1231 said:
oniyide said:
toot1231 said:
oniyide said:
toot1231 said:
oniyide said:
toot1231 said:
oniyide said:
DélioPT said:
Captain_Tom said:
DélioPT said:
I think the OP is being a bit hasty.
Comparing an one year old system that lacked games for most of it`s current lifespan to systems who were 5 years on the market, is a bit unfair.

About the games, i only consider the 1st and 2nd party games and not exclusives (if not, X, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, etc.)

Regarding N64: Starfox 64 is a tough call as it started on SNES. Although there`s a big difference in graphics you have to remember that the difference between SNES and N64 was like night and day.

GC: Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing started on N64 - and HM is not even a 2nd party game, so it shouldn`t count.
I would add Wind Waker to GC as it did change the Zelda formula a lot.

On Wii U you should count Super Mario 3D World. No 3D Mario on a home console is like this one.
Also, NintendoLand.


How is Mario 3D World so different.  Not being sarcastic, I am actually curious.

Honestly, you have to play it to see how different it is. There`s a reason it`s getting such good reviews.
I played every 3D Mario game on a home console and each one of them, even Sunshine, was like no other before it. The gameplay is just that different.


And thats part of the problem right there you HAVE to play to see the difference. Now how much people are even able to do that? To the layman it looks like another Mario and they will most likely just skip it. Contrast that to Titanfall and you dont have to play it to see the difference between that and say COD or BF or Bioshock or any other FPS

Is 3d World that much different from Land? im asking cause i dont know i loved 3d land myself.

Way different from 3D Land, and way better than 3D Land.

just play the damn game, and you will see why its so good.

you gave me no information at all and im not about to buy a console just to play the game on the word of someone from the internet.

Maybe Target will have a station or something


Watch a damn video do something instead of bitching about it not being different when you have not even played it.

you have 0 right to complain about it when you have not even touched the game.

First you tell me to play it (cant really do that) then tell me to watch a video that wont convey the differences anyway since you yourself said you have to play it to get the difference? Yeah makes sense

Oh and FYI the only one here that is complaining is you. I could honestly care less if i play the game now months from now or never. BUt you seem to care alot, stop getting emotional

If you do not care to play the game, then stop fucking talking about it.

why do you care if you dont want to play it you make no sence. Stop worrying and go play Ghosts on you Xbone and listn to lil wayne.


why you mad bro? LMAO it a video game, I'm grown if i don't play it my world won't end. What are you 12? Probably judging by your spelling

if you'd check my profile you'd know my age but, you probably dont know how to get there. Its really difficult, nearly impossible actually.

you're not really worth the effort to be frank



oniyide on 11 December 2013
sabastian said:
When I pluck down my money on a Playstation console, 3 things I'm certain that I do not have to worry about for the lifetime of the console.

(1) Diversity in genres
(2) New IP's & Lots of Indie Titles
(3) Steady flow of 3rd party titles

Why do I need a Nintendo Box ?

to play Ninty games of course



oniyide on 11 December 2013
biglittlesps said:
Mr Khan said:
sabastian said:
When I pluck down my money on a Playstation console, 3 things I'm certain that I do not have to worry about for the lifetime of the console.

(1) Diversity in genres
(2) New IP's & Lots of Indie Titles
(3) Steady flow of 3rd party titles

Why do I need a Nintendo Box ?

The best first party games in the business, bar none.



Best first party only if you like Nintendo games. Sony and Microsoft also has best first party games liked by many, but Sony is the one who is making best first party games for hardare gamers in diverstiy with New IP's so its reaching so many people to like due to diverstiy unlike Nitendo games which are loved due to popularity of its IP.

What Nintendo really has is the IP's that are very popular and some creativity in making some innovation with those IP's. But, creativity in old IP's are not enough for bringing new people to their console otherwise only old fans will buy their games and hardware.

YOu dont even need to say all that. the idea that it has the "best" is so wrong and subjective it leads me to believe that Mr. Khan has no argument and had to fall back on that tired statement



DanneSandin on 11 December 2013
Captain_Tom said:
justiceiro said:
OP: First, since you put goodneye, you should put zombiu, and w101 too, they are really unique and never ever before you could find something like then.

Second, its weird that you think that they can't carry with their old ip when this was exactaly what they did with the 3DS. Animal crossing, mario kart, SM3DL, nobody cared about steel diver, kid ikarus, they where the really innovative ips on the machine. And 3rd support find a low level of success actually, except for MH.

You guys are really ignoring another factor: price. Nintendo never lanched a hardware so expensive before, even game cube was more cheaper. And while 3Ds had a 30% price cut, wiiu had a 15% one, and not exactally, since there areadly was a option sitting at $300. So now we have a hardware that looks like the one selled at $150, but have a price tag closer to the $400-$500 ones.

I find incridible how nintendo developed the gamepad, and seems that not a single person in there said: hey, lets think about a game that really use this thing before shipping? How couldn't thisnk of this before nintedo, what really happened in there?


So Zombie U is as innovative now as Golden Eye was?  Really?

 

Also W101 got mediocre reviews and sold nearly nothing...

What does it matter if it got mediocre reviews and sold nearly nothing? Does it make the game LESS creative/new? No, no it doesn't. Just take a look at Tearaway and the Puppeter made by Sony. Got high praises, sure, but sold near to nothing. Or take a look at Knack for that matter. Mediocre scores, and will probably not sell all that well. The same goes for Ryse. Sure, they'll have some success, but I predict that SM3DW >> them both. Anyways, does that mean they're not new experiences? No! So don't try to belittle W101's creativity just because it's a Nintendo IP that's sold bad or got mediocre scores.



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