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Yes 148 33.04%
 
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Figgycal said:
spurgeonryan said:

He basically did nothing right, other than have a gift for speeches and public speaking in general.

Kind of tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president. But this was kind of like a big thing for African Americans. Finally getting full equal treatment. All of America voting for him and then he does a horrible job.

How does him being elcted set black people back? Are lynchings a thing again? Is segregation making a comeback? Are black people not allowed to vote anymore?

Also: "Finally getting full equal treatment?" There's so many things wrong with that. That's not what happened. Black people didn't suddenly get respect because there's a black man in office. Black people are still discriminated against heavily since Obama got elected. Even amongst his peers, he is known as the "lazy president" "the foodstamp president" "a spearchucker" "shucking and jiving". There is a level of racism that goes into the criticism of the president. The people making these types of comments against Obama are the ones setting white people back 50 years.

"He did nothing right?" You cannot be serious with that. See how many things he accomplished in just his first 2 years, before the Tea Party movement. Also you claim "he does a horrible job" without looking at why. It's not just because he's a bad leader - he is constantly being opposed by the Republicans in congress and nothing gets done because of it.


He has set back African-Americans and most of America as well. The issue isn't so much that President Obama has personally gone into homes of African-Americans and sought to harm them but they excuse his incompetence while harming their own pocketbooks.

This isn't just an Obama/America thing. You see it in dozens of large metro areas all run by Democrats with black mayors that have become gigantic hellholes but nothing changes because as a group, they fear racism more than pointing out incompetence among their own.

Also the sort of name-calling and so forth you declare to be racism with Obama happens to every president. Bush before him was called a moron, and an idiot. He was caricatured as an actual monkey due to his ears. Bush generated jobs but people criticized them as McJobs and complained that everyone had three of them just to get by. Bush was absolutely labeled as intellectually lazy by his critics. No one declared that President Obama doesn't like white people when Hurricane Sandy caused massive damage, lots which still hasn't been fixed.

You prove my first point with your last point. Obama had supermajorities his first two years in office. He lost them largely through pursuing an agenda that people disagreed with but also because the Democratic Party lied about ending wars, lied about balancing budgets and getting rid of cronyism. They had both the House and Senate since 2006 and that is important to note because Clinton and Bush were both expected to govern even when the opposing party had some control. Believe it or not George W. Bush only had his party in control for 4 out of his 8 years in office. In 2000, a Senator flipped parties and gave the Senate to the Democrats. Then in 2006 his party lost both the Senate and the House.

It is not appropriate to say the guy can't do his job unless he has supermajorities in both the House and Senate becuase he ran on a platform of changing the culture of Washington and uniting the country. The point is he lied about that and the lies cost his party the House of Reps. Now due to health care lies, it will probably cost his party the Senate and grow the Republican edge in the House.

Barack Obama is a hyper-partisan, incompetent hack of a president. It has nothing to do with skin color though. He'd be just as bad and his policies and procedures just as terrible no matter his sex, race or orientation. The issue though is that his own constituents and his own party will never give him the blame and force him to change because of who he is and that is the real problem that sets back the African-American community in particular but the country as a whole.



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Yeah in short no not at all. Saying he did nothing right is a joke in itself, with the opposition he faced and is still facing I think he did a pretty decent job to be honest. Did I agree with EVERYTHING he did...not at all but he was without a doubt the best choice compared to those he ran against easily.

As for Obamacare...well that is another subject because there are just way too many holes and "ifs" regarding that. But set blacks back...nope not at all.



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el_gallo said:
Figgycal said:
spurgeonryan said:

He basically did nothing right, other than have a gift for speeches and public speaking in general.

Kind of tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president. But this was kind of like a big thing for African Americans. Finally getting full equal treatment. All of America voting for him and then he does a horrible job.

How does him being elcted set black people back? Are lynchings a thing again? Is segregation making a comeback? Are black people not allowed to vote anymore?

Also: "Finally getting full equal treatment?" There's so many things wrong with that. That's not what happened. Black people didn't suddenly get respect because there's a black man in office. Black people are still discriminated against heavily since Obama got elected. Even amongst his peers, he is known as the "lazy president" "the foodstamp president" "a spearchucker" "shucking and jiving". There is a level of racism that goes into the criticism of the president. The people making these types of comments against Obama are the ones setting white people back 50 years.

"He did nothing right?" You cannot be serious with that. See how many things he accomplished in just his first 2 years, before the Tea Party movement. Also you claim "he does a horrible job" without looking at why. It's not just because he's a bad leader - he is constantly being opposed by the Republicans in congress and nothing gets done because of it.

Also the sort of name-calling and so forth you declare to be racism with Obama happens to every president. Bush before him was called a moron, and an idiot. He was caricatured as an actual monkey due to his ears. Bush generated jobs but people criticized them as McJobs and complained that everyone had three of them just to get by. Bush was absolutely labeled as intellectually lazy by his critics. No one declared that President Obama doesn't like white people when Hurricane Sandy caused massive damage, lots which still hasn't been fixed.

There's a history that comes with some of the insults used agains Obama - a long history that doesn't work the same way with white people. These are politicians calling Obama these insults - not everyday citizens. Saying Obama is chucking spears, or that he is shucking and jiving, or that he's the food stamp president is blatantly racist. Again these are politicians making using these stereotypical insults. Kanye West was the guy who said George Bush hates black people - not one of his peers in office.

"No one declared that President Obama doesn't like white people when Hurricane Sandy caused massive damage." Again you're blaming Obama for something that Republicans are largely responsible for. In the House 179 republicans voted no to Sandy Relief efforts - as opposed to 1 democrat. And in the Senate 36 republicans voted no - as opposed to 0 democrats. What is Obama to do? Become a dictator and mandate action to be taken place? George Bush had a distinct ack of reaction to Katrina.

And why yes: many conservative personalities have claimed that Obama hates white people. Many people from Bill O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, and even his fellow politicans have. Again compare those people to Kanye West who said that on MTV with people with actual power:

http://www.pressherald.com/politics/LePage-is-heard-to-say-Obama-hates-white-people.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/glenn-beck-obama-is-a-racist/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/01/bill-oreilly-its-clear-obama-does-not-like-republicans-he-doesnt-like-white-privilege-video/



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roborad said:
What?
lol..no.
He and his team greatly aided the economic recovery and right now, that's what matters the most.
In that regard, he did a great job.
But his obamacare thing (we need something like this for the future because our health care system in its current state is just not maintainable) was executed unpolished.

That is a very kind way of putting it.



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d2wi said:
No, I think his election just cemented further ignorance among Americans. He was mainly elected because he was black, not for his policies or anything, but vague promises of change.

If anything it just portrays Americans as even dumber than before.

But there is no way he set blacks back, definitely improved race relations. He's just a shit president in general.

No, he was elected because we were sick of the Republican nonsense going on in Washington (see 2006 Congressional election). There were way more people who didn't vote for him simply because he's black than there were people who voted for him because he's black. Mostly because, statically speaking, the majority of people that voted for him just because he was black were black people, and black people only make up 12% of the population.

He did make changes: he got us out of Afghanistan and there's healthcare for everyone, which were his two major promises that weren't vague at all. And our economy has improved, amongst other things.

Now, before you or anyone goes and calls me just a run of the mill Obama supporter, I didn't even vote to re-elect him. I voted for Gary Johnson. I knew he wouldn't win, but although Obama accomplished things, there were many things I don't like and my views aligned with Johnson more.

So while I don't agree with Obama now and I didn't vote for him, don't lie and say he wasn't voted in based on merit or that his promises were vague. He said exactly what he wanted to do, succeeded in a few, and failed in many



SocialistSlayer said:
He's set America back 20-50 years


He did'nt set america back 20-50 years to ones that ar responsible are the banks, Goldman Sachs etc...
You should look into it theres some intressting documentaries about the fianancial clopse in America due to some ignorant and idiotioc bank CEOs.

The CEO of Goldman & Sachs got over 100 millions dollars when he was fired due to bank scandal in America. Is that justice? Would you even give a shit if you knew you could do a shit jobb and still be a millionaire afterwards?



If Obama has set black people back 50 years, then Bush Jr, Carter, Nixon, LBJ, and Hoover have sent white people back to the 1700s



spurgeonryan said:

He basically did nothing right, other than have a gift for speeches and public speaking in general.

Kind of tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president. Not saying I am saying that. Anyone could have screwed up as we saw with That idiot Bush kid who was President. But this was kind of like a big thing for African Americans. Finally getting full equal treatment. All of America voting for him and then he does a horrible job.

 

What do you all think?

Please no racism, because you know you will be banned! I am trying to ask this question without adding any racism in it, even though it is probably a touchy subject for some. Hard to do, but I hope I accomplished this.

He is a role model for African Americans, showing them that they could be anything want if they put thier mind to it. And not just B-ballers, rappers and singers.