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Forums - Politics - Has Barrack Obama set African American's back 20-50 years?

 

Yes/No?

Yes 148 33.04%
 
No 274 61.16%
 
Other ( post below) 26 5.80%
 
Total:448

I wish we could have a black president here in Brazil, the racism here is still a big problem, and it is ridiculous in a latin country. I guess african people in high status positions is never a bad thing, there is so much to be done to wash away the wounds of slavery, it will take many, many centuries =/



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

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Poor Obama can hardly do a thing with the Congress opposing him all the time.



He might have stirred up a bit more racism by sheer virtue of partisan alignment, as right-wingers who might have less reason to dislike blacks now have a better one, while less partisan persons grow used to seeing a black man in the highest office, so it evens out. For the average black, i doubt it makes much difference at all, as famous blacks can essentially "dodge" racism that still afflicts poor or even middle-class blacks, a la Sal's hypocritical son in the Spike Lee movie "Do the Right Thing," who liked Michael Jackson (pre-vitaligo) and Kareem Abdul-Jibar but was still prejudiced against their restaurant's black patrons, so Americans who might respect Obama will still look warily on their black neighbors.

A long way of saying "no change in the status quo."



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spurgeonryan said:
You do not agree ( MDM) that African AMerican Equality has been a hard won fight?

I'm not saying that at all, although I would say that "equality" isn't fully there right now anyway.

I am just saying that it was his time to shine and show the world that Nothing can stand in the way of African AMerican Progress.

I'm pretty sure more people look at Obama as a President, not a racial figure.

Finally shut out racism for good.

Regardless of how Obama did/is doing in office.  He could have reversed the economic crisis and racism will still exist.  

Show racist that AFrican Americans are just as good as anyone else.

There were/are many African American celebrities that have already shown that they can do anything anyone else can.  Actors, musicians, political leaders, etc.

I am trying to be gentle with this subject, but I was interested. I am not saying I am thinking this, but I can imagine racist are saying it.

Not set back as in segregated again, just.....a way of thinking maybe? Or maybe . views towards African Americans by the world. I know that their are many successful African American's and that that is not a problem. Just that he was the first to be President and he failed.

Failed what, exactly?  I'm not saying that he hasn't failed anything, but the way you're putting it, you're making it seem like he's failed pretty much everything.  No president has been perfect, and Obama is far from being the worst president.  Expecting him to be an exceptional president was too high of a demand to begin with.

Not sure how else to explain it. You seem to want to be offended so I will just leave it at that. I do not know why race threads always have to be so hard to discuss on this site.





spurgeonryan said:

He basically did nothing right, other than have a gift for speeches and public speaking in general.

Kind of tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president. But this was kind of like a big thing for African Americans. Finally getting full equal treatment. All of America voting for him and then he does a horrible job.

How does him being elcted set black people back? Are lynchings a thing again? Is segregation making a comeback? Are black people not allowed to vote anymore?

Also: "Finally getting full equal treatment?" There's so many things wrong with that. That's not what happened. Black people didn't suddenly get respect because there's a black man in office. Black people are still discriminated against heavily since Obama got elected. Even amongst his peers, he is known as the "lazy president" "the foodstamp president" "a spearchucker" "shucking and jiving". There is a level of racism that goes into the criticism of the president. The people making these types of comments against Obama are the ones setting white people back 50 years.

"He did nothing right?" You cannot be serious with that. See how many things he accomplished in just his first 2 years, before the Tea Party movement. Also you claim "he does a horrible job" without looking at why. It's not just because he's a bad leader - he is constantly being opposed by the Republicans in congress and nothing gets done because of it.



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What?
lol..no.
He and his team greatly aided the economic recovery and right now, that's what matters the most.
In that regard, he did a great job.
But his obamacare thing (we need something like this for the future because our health care system in its current state is just not maintainable) was executed unpolished.



A black dude fucking up sets back blacks as much as a white dude fucking up sets back whites, surely?

"Tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president". Not like we have a good image of some of your white presidents either... doesn't make people think a white guy should never be president.



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He did everything wrong? Jesus, what's wrong with the people today?



 

spurgeonryan said:

He basically did nothing right, other than have a gift for speeches and public speaking in general.

Kind of tells the whole world what to expect if an African American is president. Not saying I am saying that. Anyone could have screwed up as we saw with That idiot Bush kid who was President. But this was kind of like a big thing for African Americans. Finally getting full equal treatment. All of America voting for him and then he does a horrible job.

 

 


This text is wrong on many accounts.

 

1. 20 tot 50 years back? There is a huge difference between 1963 and 1993.

2. In what sense did he set the country back to 1963? Or in which sense 1993?

3. What had changed from 1963 till now that has been reversed? Or what has been reversed since 1993?

 

Do you know how the state of the USA was regarding racial relations in that country in 1963?

Martin Luther King made his famous speech in 1963 and got murdered in 1968.

In 1964 after heavy pressure JFK signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that banned discrimination in public accommodations, employment, and labor unions.

Maybe you want to learn something so you know how things were back then:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1955–68)


4. Did he really do nothing right? Who thinks this? 

5. All of "America" did not vote for him. Not even close.

in 2008 he got 52.9% of the votes

in 2012 he got 51.1% of the votes

 

 

So...



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From day one he was in for one of hardest presidencies in terms of getting anything done. The Republicans made it clear they would oppose by all and nay means possible to anything proposed that might make him look good. They saw Obama as a distinct threat that could cause Republicans to be out of power for the next decade or so. The whole 2010 election locked in safe seats and set us up for a more divided and extreme congress for least 10 years (the next census).

If the goal was to disillusion all the 2008 hope voters then yeah, the Republicans might have succeeded in lowering moral. If anything the past five years have set back democracy and public discourse and has left many victims in its wake, the greatest being the President.