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thranx on 29 December 2013
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Shadow1980 said:
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.


You're pretty much spot-on. Despite often being thought of as the most powerful person in the country, the President actually can't create any laws, and there's very little he can do unilaterally. He can say "I'll promise you X, Y, and Z," but regardless of whoever is President they can't fulfill their promises even if they wanted to unless the Congress actually puts a bill on his desk that he can sign into law, and the way Congress is right now they're extremely unproductive as a legislative body. In fact, this is perhaps the least productive Congress in history due to all the gridlock. It's always easiest to blame the President because he's the most high-profile politician in the country, but Congress bears perhaps the most blame. The President's powers are delineated in Article II of the U.S. Constitution, and as you'll see most of what he can do requires the approval of Congress. If Obama is guilty of anything, it's doing what most politicians do: promising things that they can't possibly fulfill on their own, if at all.


he hasnt helped to make congress work either. although he cant make law, he can sure influence his party, and influence the populace. but insteading of trying to bridge the gap and compromise, all he offers is doing it his way or the highway. look at how he has bypassed congress with the aca and its deadlines. what other president has done that? as far as i know its not even legal. but instead of working with congreess and extending deadlines, he says he will veto any change that congress makes to extend deadlines. and instead trys to do it outside the system. so while he doesnt control congress he still has some powers over them, and he has not used them to bridge the gap between dems and repubs, but insteead made the gap bigger. I think in 10-20 years, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents, that made the divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes bigger, and created more class warefare instead of less.


90% of Americans wanted a Gun Control Bill pass, and it couldn't even pass the Senate.

The problem isn't Obama, because its been proven that it's Corporations and their lobbyist that have more power then the president.

Bush got everything done' because he did as other corporations told him to, which is why the income inequality gap grows when Republicans control the Executive branch + Congress + Senate. The Republican Party is nothing but whores who sell themselves out to corporations all the time, and this has been proven with their actions these past 30 to 100 years.

People may want some gun control measures, but they did not want what was being proposed. This is evident by the fact that states that did pass some gun control legislation will not be enforced by the states sheriffs as they are written in ways that cant be enforced, or dont make sence. People want laws that are easy to understand, and that will work. The beauty of american politics is that not everything needs to be in the control of the federal governemnt, states have powers too. it enables americnas to live similar lives, but not exactly the same, over the span of all 50 states. what is great in one state, may not work in another. we have 300 million people, 50 states, any number of immigrants from other countries, its good that each state is a little different. I have also never seen a stat that said 90% of americans ever agreed on anything, let alone gun control a very controversal issue. not sure where you would of gotten that number. What Obama (and bush, and basically every president we have ever had) has done is to take more powers from the states than it needs too. The ACA should not be a federal level and run program, it should be done at the state or county level. This can be seen in how the government cant manage to run a web page for sign ups. Had it been left up to the states there would likely be less problems. Many programs that are on a federal level should at most be on a state or county level. the closer government is to where you live the better it can understand you and your needs, and the better you can watch them to make they are doing their job right and not being wasteful.

 

Obam is perhaps one the most corporist presidents, right up there with GW. if you cant see that you are not giving yourslef the honest truth. Look into Obama's funding and what he has done with the ACA, it was a treat to the health care industry, not the people of the USA. Also the income gap has widened since Obama has been president. Obama, GW, dems, repubs, different sides of the same coins. dont trick yourself into thinking one if for the people, they are both for wall st and corporations, they just favor different ones.


So Bill Clinton didn't sell out to Health Insurance companies?

So Ronald Reagan never did everything for corporations, like a 50% tax cut?

I think that line covers Reagan and Clinton. So you see the problem. We need a smaller government that cant be used by the rich or by companies to take undue control from the people, not a larger government that has more power which can be bought by the rich and by coporations. They wouldn't be able to buy their power if the government hadn't taken so much already away from the people.



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Moonhero on 29 December 2013

Obama is pretty cool. I enjoy having him as my president. I don't think he has set anyone back.



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SamuelRSmith on 29 December 2013
BMaker11 said:
d2wi said:
No, I think his election just cemented further ignorance among Americans. He was mainly elected because he was black, not for his policies or anything, but vague promises of change.

If anything it just portrays Americans as even dumber than before.

But there is no way he set blacks back, definitely improved race relations. He's just a shit president in general.

No, he was elected because we were sick of the Republican nonsense going on in Washington (see 2006 Congressional election). There were way more people who didn't vote for him simply because he's black than there were people who voted for him because he's black. Mostly because, statically speaking, the majority of people that voted for him just because he was black were black people, and black people only make up 12% of the population.

He did make changes: he got us out of Afghanistan and there's healthcare for everyone, which were his two major promises that weren't vague at all. And our economy has improved, amongst other things.

Now, before you or anyone goes and calls me just a run of the mill Obama supporter, I didn't even vote to re-elect him. I voted for Gary Johnson. I knew he wouldn't win, but although Obama accomplished things, there were many things I don't like and my views aligned with Johnson more.

So while I don't agree with Obama now and I didn't vote for him, don't lie and say he wasn't voted in based on merit or that his promises were vague. He said exactly what he wanted to do, succeeded in a few, and failed in many


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bobfulci on 29 December 2013
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.



Do you seriously believe that? He cannot get anything done because of the republican controlled congress? Drink democrat koolaid much? He certainly frequently ignores congress on many other issues plus he continues on with what is essentially the same policies of Bush Jr. But he gets a free pass because to criticize his is RACIST....sad state we are currently in because of ALL OF THEM DEMOCRAT AND REPUBLICAN!



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bobfulci on 29 December 2013
MDMAlliance said:
The title is racist and the contents of the OP are ignorant. Are you trolling?


Perfect example of the type of person in this country who stops any meaningful dialogue from ever happening. Overly sensitive about race and quick to shut down any opposition to the "messiah" we currently have in office. If you could, please explain in DETAIL how this thread is "racist" because I would LOVE To hear it.



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