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ninetailschris on 27 December 2013
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Shadow1980 said:
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.


You're pretty much spot-on. Despite often being thought of as the most powerful person in the country, the President actually can't create any laws, and there's very little he can do unilaterally. He can say "I'll promise you X, Y, and Z," but regardless of whoever is President they can't fulfill their promises even if they wanted to unless the Congress actually puts a bill on his desk that he can sign into law, and the way Congress is right now they're extremely unproductive as a legislative body. In fact, this is perhaps the least productive Congress in history due to all the gridlock. It's always easiest to blame the President because he's the most high-profile politician in the country, but Congress bears perhaps the most blame. The President's powers are delineated in Article II of the U.S. Constitution, and as you'll see most of what he can do requires the approval of Congress. If Obama is guilty of anything, it's doing what most politicians do: promising things that they can't possibly fulfill on their own, if at all.


he hasnt helped to make congress work either. although he cant make law, he can sure influence his party, and influence the populace. but insteading of trying to bridge the gap and compromise, all he offers is doing it his way or the highway. look at how he has bypassed congress with the aca and its deadlines. what other president has done that? as far as i know its not even legal. but instead of working with congreess and extending deadlines, he says he will veto any change that congress makes to extend deadlines. and instead trys to do it outside the system. so while he doesnt control congress he still has some powers over them, and he has not used them to bridge the gap between dems and repubs, but insteead made the gap bigger. I think in 10-20 years, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents, that made the divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes bigger, and created more class warefare instead of less.


90% of Americans wanted a Gun Control Bill pass, and it couldn't even pass the Senate.

The problem isn't Obama, because its been proven that it's Corporations and their lobbyist that have more power then the president.

Bush got everything done' because he did as other corporations told him to, which is why the income inequality gap grows when Republicans control the Executive branch + Congress + Senate. The Republican Party is nothing but whores who sell themselves out to corporations all the time, and this has been proven with their actions these past 30 to 100 years.


Source. I need to see how you ever obtained a fact like that. That literally isn't possible based on the number of actual gun owners and every poll I ever seen besides msnbc. Unless you mean background checks which isn't 90% either. I don't usually accuse someone of misinformation but this is example of one if there ever was an example.



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Kaizar on 27 December 2013
ninetailschris said:
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Shadow1980 said:
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.


You're pretty much spot-on. Despite often being thought of as the most powerful person in the country, the President actually can't create any laws, and there's very little he can do unilaterally. He can say "I'll promise you X, Y, and Z," but regardless of whoever is President they can't fulfill their promises even if they wanted to unless the Congress actually puts a bill on his desk that he can sign into law, and the way Congress is right now they're extremely unproductive as a legislative body. In fact, this is perhaps the least productive Congress in history due to all the gridlock. It's always easiest to blame the President because he's the most high-profile politician in the country, but Congress bears perhaps the most blame. The President's powers are delineated in Article II of the U.S. Constitution, and as you'll see most of what he can do requires the approval of Congress. If Obama is guilty of anything, it's doing what most politicians do: promising things that they can't possibly fulfill on their own, if at all.


he hasnt helped to make congress work either. although he cant make law, he can sure influence his party, and influence the populace. but insteading of trying to bridge the gap and compromise, all he offers is doing it his way or the highway. look at how he has bypassed congress with the aca and its deadlines. what other president has done that? as far as i know its not even legal. but instead of working with congreess and extending deadlines, he says he will veto any change that congress makes to extend deadlines. and instead trys to do it outside the system. so while he doesnt control congress he still has some powers over them, and he has not used them to bridge the gap between dems and repubs, but insteead made the gap bigger. I think in 10-20 years, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents, that made the divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes bigger, and created more class warefare instead of less.


90% of Americans wanted a Gun Control Bill pass, and it couldn't even pass the Senate.

The problem isn't Obama, because its been proven that it's Corporations and their lobbyist that have more power then the president.

Bush got everything done' because he did as other corporations told him to, which is why the income inequality gap grows when Republicans control the Executive branch + Congress + Senate. The Republican Party is nothing but whores who sell themselves out to corporations all the time, and this has been proven with their actions these past 30 to 100 years.


Source. I need to see how you ever obtained a fact like that. That literally isn't possible based on the number of actual gun owners and every poll I ever seen besides msnbc. Unless you mean background checks which isn't 90% either. I don't using accuse some of misinformation but this is example of one if there ever was an example.


They had divided the bill into a lot of bills, specifically 1 aspect per bill.

It was all over the news for crying out loud.

 I believe it was to extend background checks for assault rifles. Anyways it was just 1 single little thing that 90% of Americans wanted, including the majority of NRA members.



Darc Requiem on 27 December 2013

In order for one man's actions or lack there of to set back an entire ethnicity back a score to half century, it would require an entire people to be judged by one man. That in and of it's racist. That is the premise of your OP. My statement stands. 



Kaizar on 27 December 2013
spurgeonryan said:
Darc Requiem said:
The premise of the OP is racist plain and simple. I'm damned sick and tired of the actions of one black man somehow being reason to judge black people on the whole. It's gotten old, really old.


And you just became the focus of an upcoming thread. thanks!

Not everything is racist sir.

 

A simple question. Do you really think the true racist of this country will not look at where America is at right now and not blame Obama ? Or say this is what happens when....

 

You got to realize that African Americans have been fighting for equality for the last 300 plus years. Finally the world has given African Americans the respect they deserve and always should have had. So much so that Barrack was elected President twice. Then he fails. The same thing would come up if Hilary was elected.

Did I personally say anything disprespectful? No. I actually think "you" are the one who could be considered racist.

I


A minimum of 96% of African-Americans have always disagree with this, and still do.

So your thread has been pointless since day 1, according to all Black people themselves.



ninetailschris on 27 December 2013
Kaizar said:
ninetailschris said:
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Shadow1980 said:
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.


You're pretty much spot-on. Despite often being thought of as the most powerful person in the country, the President actually can't create any laws, and there's very little he can do unilaterally. He can say "I'll promise you X, Y, and Z," but regardless of whoever is President they can't fulfill their promises even if they wanted to unless the Congress actually puts a bill on his desk that he can sign into law, and the way Congress is right now they're extremely unproductive as a legislative body. In fact, this is perhaps the least productive Congress in history due to all the gridlock. It's always easiest to blame the President because he's the most high-profile politician in the country, but Congress bears perhaps the most blame. The President's powers are delineated in Article II of the U.S. Constitution, and as you'll see most of what he can do requires the approval of Congress. If Obama is guilty of anything, it's doing what most politicians do: promising things that they can't possibly fulfill on their own, if at all.


he hasnt helped to make congress work either. although he cant make law, he can sure influence his party, and influence the populace. but insteading of trying to bridge the gap and compromise, all he offers is doing it his way or the highway. look at how he has bypassed congress with the aca and its deadlines. what other president has done that? as far as i know its not even legal. but instead of working with congreess and extending deadlines, he says he will veto any change that congress makes to extend deadlines. and instead trys to do it outside the system. so while he doesnt control congress he still has some powers over them, and he has not used them to bridge the gap between dems and repubs, but insteead made the gap bigger. I think in 10-20 years, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents, that made the divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes bigger, and created more class warefare instead of less.


90% of Americans wanted a Gun Control Bill pass, and it couldn't even pass the Senate.

The problem isn't Obama, because its been proven that it's Corporations and their lobbyist that have more power then the president.

Bush got everything done' because he did as other corporations told him to, which is why the income inequality gap grows when Republicans control the Executive branch + Congress + Senate. The Republican Party is nothing but whores who sell themselves out to corporations all the time, and this has been proven with their actions these past 30 to 100 years.


Source. I need to see how you ever obtained a fact like that. That literally isn't possible based on the number of actual gun owners and every poll I ever seen besides msnbc. Unless you mean background checks which isn't 90% either. I don't using accuse some of misinformation but this is example of one if there ever was an example.


They had divided the bill into a lot of bills, specifically 1 aspect per bill.

It was all over the news for crying out loud.

 I believe it was to extend background checks for assault rifles. Anyways it was just 1 single little thing that 90% of Americans wanted, including the majority of NRA members.

The problem with that poll was the NRA doesn’t publish or release the membership information, so how can MAIG be reasonably certain that those polled actually were in fact NRA Members ? Remember a quote from Mark Twain "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." 

Just to add I will quote a site I go for gun news where they break down the reliability.

"Then there’s the polling company who is hired to conduct the poll to consider. In MAIG’s /NRA Poll, that company would be “The Word Doctor” owned by Frank Luntz, a company that has been censured in the past by the (professional group American Association for Public Opinion Research, of which Luntz was not a member, criticized Luntz for refusing to release poll data to support his claimed results “because of client confidentiality”. Diane Colasanto, who was president of the AAPOR at the time, said"

Read more: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/gun-control-lies-files-90-percent-support-for-background-checks/



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thranx on 28 December 2013
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Shadow1980 said:
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.


You're pretty much spot-on. Despite often being thought of as the most powerful person in the country, the President actually can't create any laws, and there's very little he can do unilaterally. He can say "I'll promise you X, Y, and Z," but regardless of whoever is President they can't fulfill their promises even if they wanted to unless the Congress actually puts a bill on his desk that he can sign into law, and the way Congress is right now they're extremely unproductive as a legislative body. In fact, this is perhaps the least productive Congress in history due to all the gridlock. It's always easiest to blame the President because he's the most high-profile politician in the country, but Congress bears perhaps the most blame. The President's powers are delineated in Article II of the U.S. Constitution, and as you'll see most of what he can do requires the approval of Congress. If Obama is guilty of anything, it's doing what most politicians do: promising things that they can't possibly fulfill on their own, if at all.


he hasnt helped to make congress work either. although he cant make law, he can sure influence his party, and influence the populace. but insteading of trying to bridge the gap and compromise, all he offers is doing it his way or the highway. look at how he has bypassed congress with the aca and its deadlines. what other president has done that? as far as i know its not even legal. but instead of working with congreess and extending deadlines, he says he will veto any change that congress makes to extend deadlines. and instead trys to do it outside the system. so while he doesnt control congress he still has some powers over them, and he has not used them to bridge the gap between dems and repubs, but insteead made the gap bigger. I think in 10-20 years, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents, that made the divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes bigger, and created more class warefare instead of less.


90% of Americans wanted a Gun Control Bill pass, and it couldn't even pass the Senate.

The problem isn't Obama, because its been proven that it's Corporations and their lobbyist that have more power then the president.

Bush got everything done' because he did as other corporations told him to, which is why the income inequality gap grows when Republicans control the Executive branch + Congress + Senate. The Republican Party is nothing but whores who sell themselves out to corporations all the time, and this has been proven with their actions these past 30 to 100 years.

People may want some gun control measures, but they did not want what was being proposed. This is evident by the fact that states that did pass some gun control legislation will not be enforced by the states sheriffs as they are written in ways that cant be enforced, or dont make sence. People want laws that are easy to understand, and that will work. The beauty of american politics is that not everything needs to be in the control of the federal governemnt, states have powers too. it enables americnas to live similar lives, but not exactly the same, over the span of all 50 states. what is great in one state, may not work in another. we have 300 million people, 50 states, any number of immigrants from other countries, its good that each state is a little different. I have also never seen a stat that said 90% of americans ever agreed on anything, let alone gun control a very controversal issue. not sure where you would of gotten that number. What Obama (and bush, and basically every president we have ever had) has done is to take more powers from the states than it needs too. The ACA should not be a federal level and run program, it should be done at the state or county level. This can be seen in how the government cant manage to run a web page for sign ups. Had it been left up to the states there would likely be less problems. Many programs that are on a federal level should at most be on a state or county level. the closer government is to where you live the better it can understand you and your needs, and the better you can watch them to make they are doing their job right and not being wasteful.

 

Obam is perhaps one the most corporist presidents, right up there with GW. if you cant see that you are not giving yourslef the honest truth. Look into Obama's funding and what he has done with the ACA, it was a treat to the health care industry, not the people of the USA. Also the income gap has widened since Obama has been president. Obama, GW, dems, repubs, different sides of the same coins. dont trick yourself into thinking one if for the people, they are both for wall st and corporations, they just favor different ones.



Kaizar on 28 December 2013
thranx said:
Kaizar said:
thranx said:
Shadow1980 said:
radishhead said:
From what I can tell (outsider perspective, I know) - Barack Obama did nothing particularly wrong; he just couldn't get anything done in the country because Republicans in Congress always completely refused to agree to anything he suggested, and refused to compromise.


You're pretty much spot-on. Despite often being thought of as the most powerful person in the country, the President actually can't create any laws, and there's very little he can do unilaterally. He can say "I'll promise you X, Y, and Z," but regardless of whoever is President they can't fulfill their promises even if they wanted to unless the Congress actually puts a bill on his desk that he can sign into law, and the way Congress is right now they're extremely unproductive as a legislative body. In fact, this is perhaps the least productive Congress in history due to all the gridlock. It's always easiest to blame the President because he's the most high-profile politician in the country, but Congress bears perhaps the most blame. The President's powers are delineated in Article II of the U.S. Constitution, and as you'll see most of what he can do requires the approval of Congress. If Obama is guilty of anything, it's doing what most politicians do: promising things that they can't possibly fulfill on their own, if at all.


he hasnt helped to make congress work either. although he cant make law, he can sure influence his party, and influence the populace. but insteading of trying to bridge the gap and compromise, all he offers is doing it his way or the highway. look at how he has bypassed congress with the aca and its deadlines. what other president has done that? as far as i know its not even legal. but instead of working with congreess and extending deadlines, he says he will veto any change that congress makes to extend deadlines. and instead trys to do it outside the system. so while he doesnt control congress he still has some powers over them, and he has not used them to bridge the gap between dems and repubs, but insteead made the gap bigger. I think in 10-20 years, he will be remembered as one of the worst presidents, that made the divide between the upper, middle, and lower classes bigger, and created more class warefare instead of less.


90% of Americans wanted a Gun Control Bill pass, and it couldn't even pass the Senate.

The problem isn't Obama, because its been proven that it's Corporations and their lobbyist that have more power then the president.

Bush got everything done' because he did as other corporations told him to, which is why the income inequality gap grows when Republicans control the Executive branch + Congress + Senate. The Republican Party is nothing but whores who sell themselves out to corporations all the time, and this has been proven with their actions these past 30 to 100 years.

People may want some gun control measures, but they did not want what was being proposed. This is evident by the fact that states that did pass some gun control legislation will not be enforced by the states sheriffs as they are written in ways that cant be enforced, or dont make sence. People want laws that are easy to understand, and that will work. The beauty of american politics is that not everything needs to be in the control of the federal governemnt, states have powers too. it enables americnas to live similar lives, but not exactly the same, over the span of all 50 states. what is great in one state, may not work in another. we have 300 million people, 50 states, any number of immigrants from other countries, its good that each state is a little different. I have also never seen a stat that said 90% of americans ever agreed on anything, let alone gun control a very controversal issue. not sure where you would of gotten that number. What Obama (and bush, and basically every president we have ever had) has done is to take more powers from the states than it needs too. The ACA should not be a federal level and run program, it should be done at the state or county level. This can be seen in how the government cant manage to run a web page for sign ups. Had it been left up to the states there would likely be less problems. Many programs that are on a federal level should at most be on a state or county level. the closer government is to where you live the better it can understand you and your needs, and the better you can watch them to make they are doing their job right and not being wasteful.

 

Obam is perhaps one the most corporist presidents, right up there with GW. if you cant see that you are not giving yourslef the honest truth. Look into Obama's funding and what he has done with the ACA, it was a treat to the health care industry, not the people of the USA. Also the income gap has widened since Obama has been president. Obama, GW, dems, repubs, different sides of the same coins. dont trick yourself into thinking one if for the people, they are both for wall st and corporations, they just favor different ones.


So Bill Clinton didn't sell out to Health Insurance companies?

So Ronald Reagan never did everything for corporations, like a 50% tax cut?



Wyrdness on 28 December 2013

Can someone please explain to me what this health care controversy in the USA is exactly because from the distance it sounds like the same thing we have here in the UK (NHS) which is a good thing, with the NHS you have mandaotory health care and you pay for it in your taxes but no matter what comes up you're entitled to treatment no matter how severe your condition. Having close friends and family being treated for horrid conditions like Cancer and so on with out being hit with huge bills really hits home and the NHS is one of the reasons it's difficult for people here to leave as it makes a huge difference.



Kaizar on 28 December 2013
Wyrdness said:

Can someone please explain to me what this health care controversy in the USA is exactly because from the distance it sounds like the same thing we have here in the UK (NHS) which is a good thing, with the NHS you have mandaotory health care and you pay for it in your taxes but no matter what comes up you're entitled to treatment no matter how severe your condition. Having close friends and family being treated for horrid conditions like Cancer and so on with out being hit with huge bills really hits home and the NHS is one of the reasons it's difficult for people here to leave as it makes a huge difference.


Rich people (like maybe as low as $50,000 a year) have to pay a little more base on how hi their income is, they will have to pay even more.

You can't be turn down for pre-existing conditions.

Low income people get a coupon for a free government discount where the federal government pays some of their Health Care, and the low income person pays what they can afford.

Lower income people get free healthcare via Medicaid (free gov. Health insurance).

Some states are denying the free Medicaid part of the program thanks to the Federal Supreme Court ruling allowing so.

Each State was responsible for their own state's website to sign up, some states have screwed this up.

Health insurance premiums have already gone down and will go even further down.

 

People just hate "Poor" people in America.

There has always been a lot of hatred towards poor people in America, and this is just bringing it out. For example Fox News Channel



Wyrdness on 28 December 2013
Kaizar said:


Rich people (like maybe as low as $50,000 a year) have to pay a little more base on how hi their income is, they will have to pay even more.

You can't be turn down for pre-existing conditions.

Low income people get a coupon for a free government discount where the federal government pays some of their Health Care, and the low income person pays what they can afford.

Lower income people get free healthcare via Medicaid (free gov. Health insurance).

Some states are denying the free Medicaid part of the program thanks to the Federal Supreme Court ruling allowing so.

Each State was responsible for their own state's website to sign up, some states have screwed this up.

Health insurance premiums have already gone down and will go even further down.

 

People just hate "Poor" people in America.

There has always been a lot of hatred towards poor people in America, and this is just bringing it out. For example Fox News Channel


I see so it's somewhat similar to our NHS or at least got the same goal and view in mind, I know the NHS had a number of teething problems when it was introduced and in the end it was integrated into the tax system to fund it, it still has issues now but it's well worth it. The poor in Britain were left to die and they had to form a political party to get into power and create the NHS and it was it massive battle to do so, can't really comment on America as I don't know how the full system works although care for everyone can't be bad even with certain issues.