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Asdrendeluxe said:
Nintendo have doing research what the audience of Pokemon is in japan. Believe it ore not it is students. Dont come with your steretoype. Jes Nintendo have children adult and all demographic type games. Not only Children.

Link to the research? just to give you an example,a few days ago i completed a questionnaire by Ninty after registering my 3ds and Mario Kart 7. I didn't care for mario kart, but based on their research it would appear that a 27 year old gamer bought a Mario Kart 7, so they could claim that the audience of the game is 25+ or something. I was planning on selling the game that came with the bundle, so their research might give them inaccurate results.

All I'm saying is, in order for any research to be credible, you have to look at the numbers used and how they conduct their research. For example, when i was younger I used to never register products, so it might be more likely for adults to send them feedback than kids.



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naruball said:
Viktor said:

It´s really interesting to read threads like this. It seems to some people Sony can´t do no wrong and when they fail it´s always the fault of someone else. While quite honestly Sony really fucked up spectacularly, that´s highlighted by PSVs hardware sales in Japan where every excuse that has been used in favour of Sony sounds ridiculous since there handhelds have been far more popular than consoles for some years now.

The main problem is quite clear unappealing games and lackluster Sony support for the system.


In my opinion, that's not the problem. There are many appealing games. And Sony did support the system with major system sellers like Uncharted, Resistence, Call of Duty (having their own team making one), Little Big Planet, Killzone, Wipeout, Gravity Rush (becoming a vita game, despite being developed for ps3), Soul Sacrifice, since they no longer had a MH, and even asking the team behind Little Big Planet to make a new ip for the system. It did get support, but lost MOMENTUM. It is not perceived as the cool item to have, like a ps4, a 3ds or an iphone. Just look at 9gag. It's all they are talking/posting about. If there was a clever campain that made people want to have one, it'd be flying off the shelves. Again, just my opinion: games matter far less than people around here believe.

The question is why did it lose momentum. Do you remember how SCEA treated the PSV in its first E3 conference after launch in 2012? Or how they even topped that in a negative way this year?

PSV had a decent Sony launch lineup in quantity and in its first year but shortly after that it seemed like they just wanted to finish the games in production and call it a day.

So it doesn´t really surprise me that all of the games you listed in this quoted post are 1st gen titles released in PSVs first year with Soul Sacrifice shortly after. If we just look at PSVs first year in a vacuum I agree that the lineup is quite decent for the timeframe. The problem is this are games that had been announced for quite some time most even before PSVs launch, even the recently released Killzone was announced back in 2011 and there haven´t been many announcements  in recent E3 etc.. Those 1st year games are of course all valid titles but especially the early adopters like myself actually have played those already and want a constant stream of new games. It also doesn´t help that games like Uncharted and GR are really short games.

People calling Sonys support lackluster are actually looking at Sonys PSV support in its entirety and to most it´s quite obvious that it slowed down quite significantly.



naruball said:
Asdrendeluxe said:
Nintendo have doing research what the audience of Pokemon is in japan. Believe it ore not it is students. Dont come with your steretoype. Jes Nintendo have children adult and all demographic type games. Not only Children.

Link to the research? just to give you an example,a few days ago i completed a questionnaire by Ninty after registering my 3ds and Mario Kart 7. I didn't care for mario kart, but based on their research it would appear that a 27 year old gamer bought a Mario Kart 7, so they could claim that the audience of the game is 25+ or something. I was planning on selling the game that came with the bundle, so their research might give them inaccurate results.

All I'm saying is, in order for any research to be credible, you have to look at the numbers used and how they conduct their research. For example, when i was younger I used to never register products, so it might be more likely for adults to send them feedback than kids.


http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/18/pokemon-x-y-sold-mainly-college-students-japan/

 

Even Animal Crossing play people by the age 19-24



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I've been calling it the "PSPGo2" for the longest. I believe everyone else do the same.



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Asdrendeluxe said:
naruball said:
Asdrendeluxe said:
Nintendo have doing research what the audience of Pokemon is in japan. Believe it ore not it is students. Dont come with your steretoype. Jes Nintendo have children adult and all demographic type games. Not only Children.

Link to the research? just to give you an example,a few days ago i completed a questionnaire by Ninty after registering my 3ds and Mario Kart 7. I didn't care for mario kart, but based on their research it would appear that a 27 year old gamer bought a Mario Kart 7, so they could claim that the audience of the game is 25+ or something. I was planning on selling the game that came with the bundle, so their research might give them inaccurate results.

All I'm saying is, in order for any research to be credible, you have to look at the numbers used and how they conduct their research. For example, when i was younger I used to never register products, so it might be more likely for adults to send them feedback than kids.


http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/18/pokemon-x-y-sold-mainly-college-students-japan/

 

Even Animal Crossing play people by the age 19-24

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the author from Siliconera doensn't explain how Media Create got their numbers. He also stresses that the numbers would be different if kids didn't have exams in Japan when the game launched. So, if I go to a store and buy pokemon x for my niece who's 5, would that count as a sale from a 27 or a 5 year old? It's not like I don't believe these numbers. I bought a 3ds just for pokemon for myself and I'm 27, but there have been one too many studies that used questionable methods. Ninty has stated that 50% of the 3ds owners are kids (again, not sure if they're right).



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naruball said:
Asdrendeluxe said:
naruball said:
Asdrendeluxe said:
Nintendo have doing research what the audience of Pokemon is in japan. Believe it ore not it is students. Dont come with your steretoype. Jes Nintendo have children adult and all demographic type games. Not only Children.

Link to the research? just to give you an example,a few days ago i completed a questionnaire by Ninty after registering my 3ds and Mario Kart 7. I didn't care for mario kart, but based on their research it would appear that a 27 year old gamer bought a Mario Kart 7, so they could claim that the audience of the game is 25+ or something. I was planning on selling the game that came with the bundle, so their research might give them inaccurate results.

All I'm saying is, in order for any research to be credible, you have to look at the numbers used and how they conduct their research. For example, when i was younger I used to never register products, so it might be more likely for adults to send them feedback than kids.


http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/18/pokemon-x-y-sold-mainly-college-students-japan/

 

Even Animal Crossing play people by the age 19-24

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the author from Siliconera doensn't explain how Media Create got their numbers. He also stresses that the numbers would be different if kids didn't have exams in Japan when the game launched. So, if I go to a store and buy pokemon x for my niece who's 5, would that count as a sale from a 27 or a 5 year old? It's not like I don't believe these numbers. I bought a 3ds just for pokemon for myself and I'm 27, but there have been one too many studies that used questionable methods. Ninty has stated that 50% of the 3ds owners are kids (again, not sure if they're right).


@Naruball

I came from Austria my english is not realy good when i make a mistake sorry.

Let me say clear i hope Nintendo will have competition in the handheld market then with competition they will became stronger and better. But i belive Sony have give the Vita already up.How long the Japan Support will be alive. You see this week japanes games sale for 3DS games not from Nintendo are fantastic. This is a signal for the Publisher.This is not good for Sony and it is a shame when you asking me then they can not fix this shit. But they have not the resource about this think to keep alive then Nintendo owned the market. The must fight against Microsoft and not Nintendo. And the resources go to the PS4 against the Xbox One. Its rational when you ask me.



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Asdrendeluxe said:
naruball said:
Asdrendeluxe said:
naruball said:
Asdrendeluxe said:
Nintendo have doing research what the audience of Pokemon is in japan. Believe it ore not it is students. Dont come with your steretoype. Jes Nintendo have children adult and all demographic type games. Not only Children.

Link to the research? just to give you an example,a few days ago i completed a questionnaire by Ninty after registering my 3ds and Mario Kart 7. I didn't care for mario kart, but based on their research it would appear that a 27 year old gamer bought a Mario Kart 7, so they could claim that the audience of the game is 25+ or something. I was planning on selling the game that came with the bundle, so their research might give them inaccurate results.

All I'm saying is, in order for any research to be credible, you have to look at the numbers used and how they conduct their research. For example, when i was younger I used to never register products, so it might be more likely for adults to send them feedback than kids.


http://www.siliconera.com/2013/10/18/pokemon-x-y-sold-mainly-college-students-japan/

 

Even Animal Crossing play people by the age 19-24

Thanks for the link. Unfortunately the author from Siliconera doensn't explain how Media Create got their numbers. He also stresses that the numbers would be different if kids didn't have exams in Japan when the game launched. So, if I go to a store and buy pokemon x for my niece who's 5, would that count as a sale from a 27 or a 5 year old? It's not like I don't believe these numbers. I bought a 3ds just for pokemon for myself and I'm 27, but there have been one too many studies that used questionable methods. Ninty has stated that 50% of the 3ds owners are kids (again, not sure if they're right).


@Naruball

I came from Austria my english is not realy good when i make a mistake sorry.

Let me say clear i hope Nintendo will have competition in the handheld market then with competition they will became stronger and better. But i belive Sony have give the Vita already up.How long the Japan Support will be alive. You see this week japanes games sale for 3DS games not from Nintendo are fantastic. This is a signal for the Publisher.This is not good for Sony and it is a shame when you asking me then they can not fix this shit. But they have not the resource about this think to keep alive then Nintendo owned the market. The must fight against Microsoft and not Nintendo. And the resources go to the PS4 against the Xbox One. Its rational when you ask me.

Couldn't agree more. Well said.



reggin_bolas said:
Soundwave said:

What's SCEA supposed to?

The Sony audience doesn't give a sh*t about handhelds. They are teenage/college age males who game at home on the big screen and want a PS4 or XBox, not a Sony Game Boy.

PSP falling off the map in North America for years prior was already a tip off. Everyone has smartphones here now too so if you ever get an urge to game for 10 minutes on the road, smart phone scratch that itch. The big gun games are for consoles.

Besides I think there still is a huge stigma about playing handhelds in public. No one says anything about smartphone games because smartphones are more of a social media device. No one wants to be the weird guy on the bus "playing video games in the corner". Is it a double standard with smartphones? Sure. But it still definitely is there. 

This fucking guy here speaks the truth. I'm 29 years old, why the BLEEP would I want a handheld? I just got a tablet, that's all I need for mobility entertainment.

The only reason the 3Ds is selling well is because children of a certain school age still use them without said stigma. It's okay if you're in grade school to use it on the school bus or when on vacation. 

It sells well in multiple age groups.

It sells well with my age group too (I'm 24).  Its all over my college campus.

Your tablets cannot bring me the same quality entertainment via games.



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_crazy_man_ said:
reggin_bolas said:
Soundwave said:

What's SCEA supposed to?

The Sony audience doesn't give a sh*t about handhelds. They are teenage/college age males who game at home on the big screen and want a PS4 or XBox, not a Sony Game Boy.

PSP falling off the map in North America for years prior was already a tip off. Everyone has smartphones here now too so if you ever get an urge to game for 10 minutes on the road, smart phone scratch that itch. The big gun games are for consoles.

Besides I think there still is a huge stigma about playing handhelds in public. No one says anything about smartphone games because smartphones are more of a social media device. No one wants to be the weird guy on the bus "playing video games in the corner". Is it a double standard with smartphones? Sure. But it still definitely is there. 

This fucking guy here speaks the truth. I'm 29 years old, why the BLEEP would I want a handheld? I just got a tablet, that's all I need for mobility entertainment.

The only reason the 3Ds is selling well is because children of a certain school age still use them without said stigma. It's okay if you're in grade school to use it on the school bus or when on vacation. 

It sells well in multiple age groups.

It sells well with my age group too (I'm 24).  Its all over my college campus.

Your tablets cannot bring me the same quality entertainment via games.


This guys knows it!!! Why do people care if i play a handheld? It has games, great games!



Viktor said:

and the obvious troll Pachter

http://mynintendonews.com/2011/07/02/nintendo-3ds-pachter-believes-playstation-vita-will-rob-nintendos-market-share/

Stuff like this is why Pachter is such a laughing stock. By the way, he also predicted Nintendo would release a Wii HD in 2009. XD