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SocialistSlayer on 26 November 2013
Dark_Feanor said:
ethomaz said:
32MB eSRAM make the APU for Xbone be ~40% bigger... so complex to produce, less units per wafer and yields issues.... that's make the Xbone's APU way expensive compared to PS4's APU.

There is no magic that makes that APU cheaper.

In the other note the PS4 have the GDDR5 more expensive but it is less than the difference between the APUs.


"way expensive" you mean 10% more?

The article says the GDDR5 costs $28 more.

Are we reading the same article?

20%



 

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Mr Puggsly on 26 November 2013
Xenostar said:
In other words PS4 will always be cheaper, at least until MS make Kinect optional.

Not a guarantee. It also depends on how competitive Sony attempts to be with their price.

For example, maybe the X1 will be $400 with Kinect in a year. If PS4 sales are strong, they may not feel the need for a price cut. Profits are kinda important to Sony at the moment.



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selnor1983 on 26 November 2013
Normchacho said:
selnor1983 said:
Normchacho said:
How is that possible? It's weaker hardware than the PS4...Shouldn't it cost less?

Yeah did people not know that Ryse has best launch graphics on a harder to develop for machine with 50% less power?


That has nothing to do with the Xbox One hardware. It's a Crytek game, all they know how to do is graphics. There is no denying that the hardware in the Xbox One is less powerful, to insinuate otherwise is foolish.

Are you saying Guirella Games all of a sudden arent good at graphics? On a console 50% more powerful ( according to certain people ) and easier to develop and optimize Guirella Games still couldnt achieve the best visuals. So what does that mean? Or are you gonna throw the linear comment making last generaion linear Uncharted, TLOU, Heavy Rain etc all firmly in the mud in terms of visuals?



Carl on 26 November 2013
selnor1983 said:

Are you saying Guirella Games all of a sudden arent good at graphics? On a console 50% more powerful ( according to certain people ) and easier to develop and optimize Guirella Games still couldnt achieve the best visuals. So what does that mean? Or are you gonna throw the linear comment making last generaion linear Uncharted, TLOU, Heavy Rain etc all firmly in the mud in terms of visuals?


All this is kinda irrelevant to the topic at hand.

What does Ryse graphics or Killzone graphics have to do with this?



                            

AnthonyW86 on 26 November 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Xenostar said:
In other words PS4 will always be cheaper, at least until MS make Kinect optional.

Not a guarantee. It also depends on how competitive Sony attempts to be with their price.

For example, maybe the X1 will be $400 with Kinect in a year. If PS4 sales are strong, they may not feel the need for a price cut. Profits are kinda important to Sony at the moment.

That kind of puts MS in a tough spot doesn't it? With a $100 price cut they would still be at the same price point as the PS4. Based on the information in the OP XOne with Kinect will always be more expensive to build than a PS4, so if they even need to really undercut Sony in price they would have to release a XOne without Kinect.



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Xenostar on 26 November 2013
Carl2291 said:
selnor1983 said:

Are you saying Guirella Games all of a sudden arent good at graphics? On a console 50% more powerful ( according to certain people ) and easier to develop and optimize Guirella Games still couldnt achieve the best visuals. So what does that mean? Or are you gonna throw the linear comment making last generaion linear Uncharted, TLOU, Heavy Rain etc all firmly in the mud in terms of visuals?


All this is kinda irrelevant to the topic at hand.

What does Ryse graphics or Killzone graphics have to do with this?


It doesnt its FUD to try and sideline the negative X1 Topic



Normchacho on 26 November 2013
selnor1983 said:
Normchacho said:
selnor1983 said:
Normchacho said:
How is that possible? It's weaker hardware than the PS4...Shouldn't it cost less?

Yeah did people not know that Ryse has best launch graphics on a harder to develop for machine with 50% less power?


That has nothing to do with the Xbox One hardware. It's a Crytek game, all they know how to do is graphics. There is no denying that the hardware in the Xbox One is less powerful, to insinuate otherwise is foolish.

Are you saying Guirella Games all of a sudden arent good at graphics? On a console 50% more powerful ( according to certain people ) and easier to develop and optimize Guirella Games still couldnt achieve the best visuals. So what does that mean? Or are you gonna throw the linear comment making last generaion linear Uncharted, TLOU, Heavy Rain etc all firmly in the mud in terms of visuals?

No, it's just that other developers focus on other things. Like gameplay, which crytek is notoriously crappy at. It's also silly to suggest that scale has no effect of graphics. I'm trying to discredit how Ryse looks. there is nothing wrong with a game looking great because it's linear. All three of those games you mentioned looked so good partly because they were linear games, no doubt about it. But lets be honest here, the specs are the specs. The PS4 has more powerful hardware no matter which way you look at it. It will probably take a couple of years to see the full difference (unless ND and there new talent speeds things up) but it's there.

Please, take off the goggles every now and again and these discussions  wouldn't even need to happen.



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riecsou on 26 November 2013
selnor1983 said:

Are you saying Guirella Games all of a sudden arent good at graphics? On a console 50% more powerful ( according to certain people ) and easier to develop and optimize Guirella Games still couldnt achieve the best visuals. So what does that mean? Or are you gonna throw the linear comment making last generaion linear Uncharted, TLOU, Heavy Rain etc all firmly in the mud in terms of visuals?

From someone who spend a lot of time bashing PS4 and saying how much he is enjoying his Xbox One where do you find the time to really enjoy your Xbox One???



WagnerPaiva on 26 November 2013

Oh noes! I mean, who cares?



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selnor1983 on 26 November 2013
Xenostar said:
Carl2291 said:
selnor1983 said:

Are you saying Guirella Games all of a sudden arent good at graphics? On a console 50% more powerful ( according to certain people ) and easier to develop and optimize Guirella Games still couldnt achieve the best visuals. So what does that mean? Or are you gonna throw the linear comment making last generaion linear Uncharted, TLOU, Heavy Rain etc all firmly in the mud in terms of visuals?


All this is kinda irrelevant to the topic at hand.

What does Ryse graphics or Killzone graphics have to do with this?


It doesnt its FUD to try and sideline the negative X1 Topic

Actually if you read the thread its not.

Unfortunately youll have to read from post 1.