Amazon verified purchasers are not social media.

Quite a confusion you have there.

You never had a valid argument to begin with as you based your posts on unsubstantiated hyperbole. Therefore, there's no point in conversating with you. Don't expect another reply from me.

1. How did you get "exclude all existing PS4s" from me saying "there are 1 million in consumer hands and less than 0.4% are breaking"? I was specifically talking about the rate at which the units in consumers' hands are breaking. And I said that we know, roughly, how many have broken. If you meant to flip what I was saying to refer to units yet to be produced, you miscontrued what I said. You said it's an "on-going problem". On-going implies that they are producing more and more PS4 and they keep breaking. Like when the 360 came out, they kept producing 360s and they kept breaking. That's on-going. When we know how many are in people's hands and we know how have broken/projected to break, it's not an "on-going problem". It's a just a matter of "when will that figure hit so we can have better analysis of the product".

2. So, is Amazon the end all? Is Amazon the barometer by which we determine everything? Do you know how many people don't leave reviews? We know that some PS4s are breaking. Of course, then, are we going to see a review that says "hey, my PS4 broke". But what about all the people that don't even touch the review section of Amazon? Your view is very skewed if it's based on one retailer's review scores. Plus, have you heard of a "vocal minority"? The smallest group being the loudest? You're basically letting a handful of bad reviews supercede everything else.

3. If you didn't base your opinion on the information you were given, then what is it based off of? Nothing? Did you buy a bunch of PS4s and then some broke on you? Please tell me how to obtain this information, other than spending loads of money on multitudes of consoles to determine these things on my own, without going through the channels that have said information, so I form an opinion. I could have sworn that the correct way to do things is receive information and form an opinion on it, but apparently you have some mystical way of forming an opinion without information.

4. No, it's not. I addressed each point you made. You said "30% of the reviews were on DOA consoles from verified purchasers". That's just wrong, anyway, because the TOTAL number of 1 star reviews is less than 25% of all the reviews, and of that less than 25%, less than 25% of that are from verified purchasers. So you just completely fabricated numbers. You said that PS4s breaking is an "on-going issue" when we know that A. over 1M people have bought PS4s and B. Sony gave a figure of less that 0.4% of them breaking. We haven't heard of more than 4,000 breaking, so how is it "on going"? Like the apple analogy, if I gave you 100 apples and said 10% would be rotten, how is it an "on going problem" when we can expect about 10 to be rotten?

If it seemed like I "attacked" your points, well, it's because they're so ludicrous that any reasonable response to them would look like an "attack".

30% of what, reviews. You do comprehand vast majority of people that order products will not go review it posativly.  

ohh shit amazon shipping replecments in "SNUG PACKAGING" seems alot of those dead PS4 came to people in beat to shit crap amazon packaging.

http://www.geekwire.com/2013/amazon-ps4-shipment/

It is true that any product on Amazon attracts both unfair positive and negative reviews, so you can't use the absolute numbers. What you need to do is to compare the PS4 against similar products on Amazon to get an idea of the size of the problem.

Do other technology products sold by Amazon attract a 25% DOA ratio? If not, why is the PS4 different? Is it perhaps because the PS4 has a higher failure rate than other products?

If Amazon is changing the packaging, then that means the product may be vulnerable to physical moving about. Is that going to be a problem for the PS4? Is it indicative of loose parts, or dodgy assembly? If I move house, do I need to take special care how I move my console?

These are the questions that I think is important when evaluating the quality of a product.

You ask pointless questions as they come from a grasping at straws point of view thus making then irrelevent when evaluating a product.

Amazon is changing it casue its previous packaging was pure shit and likely responcible for plenty doa units and they took shit from their customers for it, its that simple if you use some common sense.

Aka if you leave 5 inches deep of open space ina box and put an electronic into it it will get banged up and break, its just that simple.

What you think would happen to a tv or laptop if they did the same shitty packaging on it.

LOL, you don't address my issues, then run away when I try to point you in the right direction. Perhaps it is better for you to move along.

Your comment is quite emotive and hysterical, but I gather you reckon that bad packaging is to blame for the PS4 failure rate? If that is confirmed, then it should be great news for PS4 consumers! Do you know if there is confirmation that this caused the failures?