So, you loose the power argument so you move onto cost and player counts?

Nice try. I came well equipped for this battle of intellect!

For starters, the PC is cheaper over time, especially if you purchase allot of games, games are typically $10-$20 cheaper, thus if you buy allot of games you could potentially save thousands.
Plus the Xbox One and Playstation 4 you have to pay to even do basic tasks such as Multi-player gaming, over the life of the console, you could save hundreds by gaming on the PC.
Over 5 years I've spent roughly $250 just for online access on my Xbox 360.

Lets not forget you still need to buy controllers and other accessories too which adds to the entire cost of a console.
Considering each Xbox 360 controller would set you back roughly $40 AUD, that's $120 extra.

So just for 5 years online, controllers and the console itself you're looking at roughly almost $900.
If I were to include the several hundred games I have on Steam, I've probably saved a few grand... You do the math.
If you can't build a PC for that, then you're doing it wrong.

Now about less people playing on PC? That's a funny statement.
More people alone play League of Legends on PC than exists Xbox Live Gold users or PSN+ users.
More copies of Minecraft have sold on PC than any other platform.
World of WarCraft, again PC exclusive is the worlds most profitable game.
Outside of Nintendo's exclusives, The Sims is the best selling franchise of all time with over 150 million copies sold on the PC.
Steam has almost 60 million users, that's very competitive to Sony and Microsoft's endevours in the console space.
Origin has over 50 million users.
The PC's combined video game revenue is actualy 30% larger than the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 combined as it is a 20 billion dollar market, whilst the HD twins is a 15.5 Billion dollar market.
The PC literally invents all the technology that goes in the Playstation and Xbox, that's Billions worth of Research and Development, paid for by PC gamers, no PC? No next generation or current generation consoles as they are today, the alternative would be a custom SOC or one based upon ARM, but the performance would be lacking.
The PC has more games than what exists on the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 combined.
The PC has more exclusives than the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 combined, several decades worth of game releases being backwards compatible does that to a platform.

The only argument that holds any weight is the PC doesn't get Playstation exclusives, but then again the Playstation 4 doesn't get any other platforms exclusives either, they're exclusive for a reason.
Converesly, unlike other platforms the PC is bound to emulate the consoles eventually anyway, bringing all those exclusives over to the PC gaming master race.

And yet, despite a large amount of current PC's not capable of matching the next generation consoles... There are still more high-end PC's that exist that are faster than the Xbox One and Playstation 4 combined, happily running games out right now.
Plus people haven't seen a need to upgrade for years as most games have been held back by consoles, thus a 6 year old PC with maybe a $30 GPU upgrade can pretty much run a large majority of games with no hassles.
People will upgrade when they see a need for it.

What the Fuck

Which is sad, unless you actually plan on buying that game to help that company out while playing it on PC.

PC Gamers also have to deal with shitty ports, bad drivers, late ports, and other technical errors. They also have to deal with the inevitablle GPU, CPU, and even motherboard upgrades. ]?

Also in your post you're tacking on shit such as extra controllers to add to the cost of the console, really? Odds are you're gonna buy a remote for your PC, and a PC comparable to the PS4 is $800 or more upfront. So if you factor in all of the games and such, with newer releases PC games DON'T go under $30 unless it's a true bomba. Sure you can buy a ton of $2 games and so forth, but I can go to gamestop and buy used games for $2 - $5. Know why? Because those games are either old, or aren't that valuable. You can trade in your console games for others as well, I have 40 PS3 games and have only spent around $800 for all of my games, including my PS+ subs thanks to deals on PSN and used games.

Hell with PS+ for $60 you're annually getting a value better than any $60 spent on PC after you take in account the games your getting, and how valuable they are in comparison to shit on Steam that costs $1 - $5. Just saying, and pretending that consoles don't get great digital deals is astonishing to me. Really, the ONLY way you're saving money on PC is if you buy a TON of new games frequently, even then if you're buying them on PC you're only saving $20 tops. Maybe more if it's not that good. 

PS4 with 6 year PS+ sub is $700. Seeing as PS+ adds about 3 games a month PLUS discounts and access to betas over six years I'd have over 200 games,  all for $300, $1.50 for a game. Of course I could never hold these games unless I bought a 2TB HDD or something but the point still stands. PC is not a better value than consoles, and quite frankly I'm tired of it getting spouted, I own a modern PC with a mid-range card(thanks to the good old master race proproganda bullshit you're spouting.)

And most of your statistics are utterly useless. MOBA games are cultural phenomenoms in south korea, it doesn't make PC gaming better that a ton of people play FREE games on a device they ALREADY HAVE on pretty much any PC made in the past TEN years. 

The PC has more games, yes, better exclusives? Fuck no. The only PC exclusives worth playing are MOBA's and some MMO's in my opinion. Show me some PC exclusives that would make a casual gamer want a PC? Fact is, no matter how much faith you put into your PC, casuals won't find it appealing due to the fact that their friends play on consoles, and consoles are easier to use and a better long term investment, fuck I personally know people in real life who play on Xbox who don't even know about PC gaming outside of flash browser games and MMO's.

The only thing I like about PC gaming is IndieDB and game mods...and the visuals. But calling it a better value is a fucking myth that I'm tired of seeing. 

Sorry for this but it's probably a lie in neogaf Sony drones that are always trying to make something up about Microsoft and never letting down to keep people on the hating and if you take a moment to see their post you can see a patern as to when they do this and ignore any other good post or negative post against their fav console. Personally  I'm getting both but X1 first for its other more understandable features apart from the gaming but this is what I found of a dev that got tired of it and this is what he posted in regard to this info.

http://doddscientifics.com

MSoft XBO OS Dev

• thecrapgamer
  on October 28, 2013 at 3:25 am

  You just sat him down, bravo.

  Reply

Is this a joke?

Have you even used a PC for gaming since the mid 1990's? PC's today are far more reliable than they have ever been previously, my PC is already a couple years old with the hardware in it right now and it's never had "technical errors" - It's also faster than the Playstation 4, Xbox One, Wii U, Wii, Xbox 360 and Playstation 3, combined.
On the flip side, you also have access to the largest repository of information known to man-kind, even my grandmother uses it to learn new things, it's called Google.

As for upgrades, sure you have to upgrade the GPU sometimes, maybe every 4+ years a Radeon 5870 is still very capable even today.
But the CPU and Motherboard can last much longer than that. - A Core 2 Quad Q6600 for instance, is still very capable of playing pretty much every game out today, that's despite it being released 6 years ago and it probably has another few years of life left in it yet, thanks to the consoles anemic processors.

Remote for my PC? What is this? 2001? Everyone has a Smartphone these days, be it Windows Phone, Android or iOS, there are apps which allows you to use your smartphone as a controller for media functionality if you so wish.
Keyboards and Mice combo's can be had for under $10.

Lets take a look at game prices then shall we?
Battlefield 4 is $100 to Pre-order on Xbox One and Playstation 4 here.
On PC it's $90, both at EB Games.
Simple mathematics shows it's a $10 difference, some games the difference is larger sometimes.

Also, why not take a look at the EA Humble bundle awhile ago? You could have gotten: Battlefield 3, The Sims 3, Mirrors Edge, Command and Conquer, Dead Space, Dead Space 3, Crysis 2, Burnout Paradise, Medal of Honor all for $5, please, point me in the direction where consoles get deals like that.

You're paying $60 rent games, they aren't free.
Steam however is free, you also get free games.
There are also plenty of free games that aren't on Steam.
It's literally 100% free, there are no bait and switch tactics, nothing you have to purchase to access it all.
HOW can something that costs actuall money be better value than something that is 100% free? Seriously, you get more for your money with free.

This is where you completely loose the argument, it's all opinion not fact.
Whether exclusives are worth playing all comes down to personal opinion.
I would take a PC game that actually has decent and indepth gameplay over the quick-time riddled console games like uncharted. (LADDERS WTF)
You obviously prefer the opposite.

Knock yourself out.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=List+of+every+PC+exclusive+game

But seriously, you want casual? Doesn't get anymore than Casual than The Sims.
Show me a Playstation or Xbox franchise that has outsold the casual game "The Sims" with 150 million copies sold in the entire franchise, go ahead, I dare ye'.

Do keep in mind this entire discussion was origionally about performance, once the PC was brought up (By yours truly) and the common knowledge that the PS4 is technically inferior in comparison, it had to shift to other aspects as if the Playstation 4 is the only gaming platform that is worth bothering with, which is simply not true.

And I will spend less money on my PS4 and Wii U and all of it's games for the same price of your hardware alone, and will have just as much fun as you, your point? If I spent $1,000 worth of GPU's alone than I'd want it to be pretty damn powerful as well. "Never" had technical errors, "never"? Pretty sure that's a stretch but let's not dwell on that. 

But you're trying to match the PS4's value and that comes at a cost, simple and plain, and with the new system requirements fo next gen unless you already had a gaming PC of some sorts, you're pretty much forced to upgrade, and this is just the beginning of this gen. 

Wow, you saved a total of $10. Now if you only bought 340 more games then you might break even with the cost of a console, for your hardware alone that costed over 3K. Such value. 
Remote, I meant it as in buying a Xbox 360 remote to game on PC, since alot of PC Gamers take that over keyboard and mouse, which I detest but let's not go there.

lol are you seriously comparing F2P games as better values than AAA Games? You tacked on the yearly sub fees when calculating the price, so I simplt added the perks, sure you're renting them, but since it's a neccessity according to your assessment, why does it matter?

Uncharted doesn't use ladders, that was TLOU btw, and it shits on every PC exclusive that you enjoy, which is...the Sims? I could've sworn the Sims were on Consoles as well, I could've sworn that the Sims is a series and it's total sales are calculated as such, since what, the 90s? Meanwhile CoD sells 20 million a year, and the current pace it'll outsell the sims. 

Also, like you said it's all opinion not facts, right? Yet PC being the best way to game was presented as a fact by you, warrented by shitty free to play games and the thought of MAYBE breaking even with your hardware investment? 

Also most of your points applies to enthusiats, who don't care for saving money in the first place on consoles, seeing as most steam users, well 3 out of 4 steam users PC's aren't up to par with next gen's, fuck I have steam installed on my laptop which packs a HD 3200, know why? Because I do enjoy casually playing some MOBAs on my comp. Hell, I play MOBA's for hours at a time, does that make me apart of the PC Gaming race?

lol @ random poster above me quoting a random comment that's fake as fuck. DR3 confirmed scaling resolution so that alone makes the statement false, the titanfall part is laughable.

I think a lot of people never bought a console at launch. There are always problems. You can consider yourself lucky if it's just the OS. Remember the PS3 at launch? We had just about nothing. Not even text chat, not even in-game XMB. Wanna send a message to a friend? Well, you have to exit your game first! And it was even slower than today, even if that is hard to imagine. The PS4 will also have trouble at launch. A console never releases perfectly. If you expect a flawless experience, don't buy at launch. Seriously.

The Vita also needed time to get better when it comes to OS. At launch, we couldn't watch any videos and we had to exit a game just to browse the internet. Right now, you have a youtube app and you can watch a lot of videos in the browser. You also don't have to exit a game, it all runs in the background. Just give the systems some time, for fuck's sake. It will take more than months, even after a full year, there will still be problems on PS4 as well as on Xbox One. If you can't live with problems: DON'T BUY AT LAUNCH! Got it?

Your PS4 and WiiU can't play all the NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii, Playstation 1, Playstation 2, PSP, Sega Master System, Sega Mega Drive, Sega Saturn, Sega Dramcast, Sony MSX, Atari 2600, Commodore 64, Gameboy, Gameboy Colour, Gameboy Advance, Nintendo DS, Decades worth of PC games either.

I also didn't spend $1,000 on GPU's either. I origionaly bought Triple Radeon 7970's just after launch for roughly $750 each, which I later sold to buy reference 7970's to water cool. - You do the math.
I'm also running at resolutions greater than 4k or "Ultra HD" or "Quad HD" which requires such hardware, something none of the consoles are capable of achieving this or next generation.
I also do more than just play games in order to justify my hardware purchases.

You don't even need to spend a fraction I have however to enjoy all games at high graphics at 1080P.

I also know what I'm doing, hence I don't run into technical issues, never had one. - Even if I did, I reiterate, I have access to the largest repository of information known to man-kind, what I don't know I will quickly learn.

Funny.
All the next generation launch games that are coming to PC are happy with a 6-7 year old Core 2 Duo/Core 2 Quad CPU's, with 6-8Gb of Ram and topping out with a 4 year old Radeon 5870, that's not exactly forcing upgrades on people considering that's recommended requirements and not minimum.

I prefer the keyboard and mouse, thus you don't have to buy a console controller if you don't want, you have choice and choice is never a bad thing, is it?
That saving of $10 is only for pre-ordered games, not ones already released, you're telling me you have never bought a game because it looked good despite not being a new release?

I edited my post just before you finished your reply, but read: EA bundle.

We must have played a very different game of uncharted then, ladders breaking? Quick time events? My God. No wonder I never finished it.
PC exclusives that I personally enjoy:
1) Civilization IV.
2) StarCraft 2.
3) Arma 3.
4) Anno.
5) The Settlers.
6) X series.
7) Heroes of Might and Magic.
8) Company of Heroes.

I'm looking forward in anticipation for StarCitizen too, big PC AAA exclusive that's going to be downright epic.

Please, there are more PC's in the Steam survey that are faster than the Next-Gen consoles than there are Playstation 4's and Xbox One's in peoples homes.