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wick on 09 October 2013

It's a gimmick that will hopefully be avoidable by this time next year.

I really want Forza and Gears.

I really don't want to pay extra for a camera in my living room that I have no interest in.



 

 

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landguy1 on 09 October 2013
endimion said:
Euphoria14 said:
landguy1 said:
Euphoria14 said:
I would buy an XBone if it didn't have Kinect. I personally don't find the camera to be worth $100-$150 of my money.

Some might, others won't.


I agree that if you look at Kinect as a part instead of part of the XB1 you come to the same conclusion a lot of the time.  The difference here is the same thing as the Bluray in the PS3 or the controller in the WiiU(which would have been fine if it had 4 controller suppoprt if you wanted more of them).  It is a part of the system.  The whole system was designed around it's capabilities.  People seem to get caught up in the "I don't need it to play games" part of the equation, which is identical to both of the items for the PS3/WiiU.  It is a way to enhance gaming or even provide a whole different kind of gaming(Motion) - unlike bluray that technically added nothing to gaming itself. Or it creates voice controls or the ability to use as a simple camera.

In the end, you are right though, if you can only see a camera, then thats all it is and you won't be playing on the XB1.

All I suggest for most people(even the people supporting it now) is to try it out in a real home where it is being used.  Base their opinions on something other than "it's a camera".    Most people hate spinach.  But most people like spinach dip.  If you look at just one ingredient or part, it just might not look good to you.

If it is a part of it then why could you buy the XBone, unplug the Kinect and never touch it again?

It is packaged in, yes, but it is not required at all. It is more like an optional input scheme that is forced upon you at time of purchase whether you would choose to use it or not.

 

The fact that it isn't required in any way now should warrant a Kinect-less SKU.

It will come. I have patience. I will grab it when that time comes.

you can only do it now because people asked for it....

 

pretty sure people that actually will do it (have it in the box) will have intempestive pop ups saying "this feature requires kinect please plug in the device and press continue or press back"

so yeah you will be able to do without it.... but you won't have access to all the features even outside of gaming and will be jumping around through a bunch of complicated menu just to not use something simple.... to me not having the kinect on XB1 will be simillar or even worst than not having the remote on a TV.... yeah sure you can still use it with the side buttons on the TV but it's way more fastidious... but if it's what they want, it's up to them... that's why they do have the option to leave the remote in the box.... same with kinect

You answered with my points. 

Other examples:

Just take the bluray drive out, because it isn't really needed.  Take out the wifi, as someone can hook up the ethernet cable.  Remove the rumble in the controller, as its not needed.

You can skinny down both the PS4 and the XB1 to simple consoles if they wanted to.  All it really does is diminish the accessibility and convenience of the units.  The Kinect does some of the same things.  It provides convenience and alternative options.  It is true that you can buy a console without Kinect, but you may already own the 360.  If they sell the Kinectless XB1, it will be a a 360.5 just like the PS4.



nitekrawler1285 on 09 October 2013

It depends upon how one describes smart. I can see the arguments for every developer will have one it allows them to be more creative. They know all of the customers will have one and I have yet to see anything terribly creative. Mostly voice controls. Any USB mic can do that. You don't need a $100+ piece of kit to get a similar effect. I would also bring up the Wii remote and the Wii U Gamepad and the DS second screen. Just because they are there and in 100% of systems userbase didn't mean developers took advantage of them.

They only have one game announced that is controlled using only the Kinect and it's first party to boot so I don't think developers are seeing the value that Microsoft does. The amount of Kinect projects that started that way and have game pad controls also speak to this. If even the developers whom this is for can't see the value then I can hardly expect consumers to see it. So in this case I would say it's not exactly a smart decision.



Wright on 09 October 2013

I don't like Kinect, but I can't wait to play D4 with it.



Zappykins on 09 October 2013
binary solo said:
Zappykins said:

I do see your point.  Plus how could you foccus on both?  One would suffer.

I think more the point is skyping with people you are playing with.  There are times when it would be nice to have seen some of the people I was playing Warcraft with (well the ones I knew in real life anyway.)

Do you need Kinect for that? All you need is a microphone. You don't really want video chat when you're playing do you? I don't. A lot of features that articles associate with Kinect don't actually need Kinect, it's just that MS chooses to use Kinect as the way of using said feature on the Xb one.

In the same way do we need cameras on our smart phones?    Do we need messages, email and text on our smart phones? Do we need Amber Alerts (kidnapping notifications in the States) on our smart phones? Do we even need Smart phones? People live millions of years and built the pyramids without such 'gimmicks'

We don’t really need gaming machines.  But I think they make the adventure of life more fun.

But the nice thing is we can do all those things, and more – like performance capture for Project Spark with Kinect. Or Exer-gaming with Kinect Fitness, or music performance with Disney’s Fantasia it give developers more resources to make fun experiences.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Zappykins on 09 October 2013
attaboy said:
Selnor's posts in this thread are making my nipples tingle.

That comment made me a wee bit jealous.  Are you taking candy from another?  (sniff)



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Imaginedvl on 09 October 2013
Mmmfishtacos said:
Imaginedvl said:
selnor1983 said:
Ive reread through the comments of this thread.

I just realized why people are saying what they are saying. A lot here are talking about Kinect as a controller. When 70% of its uses aren't even that.

Remember, Microsoft are on a completely different path than Sony. Completely different.

Its called Xbox One for a reason. Microsoft are trying to provide more than a games console. Something new and refreshing. Something that adds value to watching films, skyping made easy on a big screen, watching TV in an instant etc etc etc.

Sure you don't need it, the same way we don't need and didn't need Ipods ( CD's in cars for example were just fine ).

But its technology. And when it releases if it works beautifully then brilliant. Why not have a powerful games machine and the rest of the bells and whistles and have Windows 8 thrown in? They have done it, so either buy it and try it, or stick to just a games machine.

Personally Im looking forward to using PC's less. All I do on a PC anyway is internet and Word stuff. And I don't really have the room or want to have a PC or wires set up to my TV. Why when My Xbox One can do it easier?

This is also how I see it. An all in one machine.

As far as Kinect being a controller; I also think it is a misconception a lot of people have. They see it as a controller and of course; as a bad one compared to the controller itself (the one with buttons :)). On top of all the live living room things (voice controls, etc..) I see Kinect as an additional way of playing or enhancing game play. One very good exemple is in BattleField 4 where you can lean your head to look around corners while moving and aiming with a real controller. (Who can seriously say that this is not awesome? I mean all of us while playing FPS does that, lean the head while approaching a corner )

And yet in the ps4 you just tilt the controller. While keeping your head focused normally on the tv. In my opinion is far better. Youd know this if you've used head tracking before, which the eye can do as well.  

I personnaly lean my head a LOT while playing shooters to look around corners and the fact that DICE introduced this in BF4 is just making me happy; as I wanted this in a FPS for a long time. And I do not lose any focus (actually, I'm focusing even more when I do that).

I can understand that you do not care about it or prefer to tilt your controller (woooooz....) but the way I'm moving my controller arround while playing FPS would not really be a good experience for me (ie: more immersive)!



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Imaginedvl on 09 October 2013
selnor1983 said:
I think people need to realize that kinect is xbox one. Its absolutely fine in you not liking that. I don't particularly find much value in ps4's direction. But i don't cry out about it. I like the ps3 games i have and enjoyed it as a games machine. But i do everything else from watching films to using apps on 360. Its easier faster and has more. At least in my country.

i like the idea of not having to scroll through menus on xbox one, i like the instant tv switching and its multitasking capabilities. I like that i can play windows 8 metro games and use windows 8 apps. I like the package offered. I use xbox music and xbox video already. They are really well put together and extremely well priced in comparison to Spotify etc. I have everything in one place. Including my gaming.

it will take Sony to give me all of this for ps4 for me to consider changing. The fact that i get alot of great exclusives at launch is a bonus i don't think anyone was expecting at least from Microsoft.

the camera is half of kinect. If they take the camera out, in paying for chips in the console that are wasted. Same with ps4 controller. So hey, kinect makes things outside controlling games faster and easier than traversing menus. That's a bonus in itself. A welcome bonus. Yeah its 20 quid more than the ps4. ( i get a free game i was buying anyway) but i was buying xbox one for more reason than games in the first place.

at the end of the day, kinects camera wont be removed. Either don't buy xbox one or do. That's why the world has choices in it.

be happy with your choices, i am.

lol you are wasting your time :) I mean not liking it is one thing (which is ridiculous to do not "like" it), finding it "useless" is another thing (and it nis perfectly understandble) but then they are the one who just use that as an excuse to bash MS and the Xbox One over and over even if without it they have no interest into the Xbox One :)



attaboy on 09 October 2013
Zappykins said:
attaboy said:
Selnor's posts in this thread are making my nipples tingle.

That comment made me a wee bit jealous.  Are you taking candy from another?  (sniff)



Sorry. :(