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AEnigma on 09 October 2013
selnor1983 said:
All these people saying adding price for a device people didn't ask for are completely silly statements.

It makes no sense.

Stick with PS4 if your happy with that. If you don't want to advance away from the previous generation that's fine. There is a console called PS4 which just upgrades graphics.

What I just read in the OP is Freaking amazing. Truly revolutionary.

Playing Killer Instinct , passing the controller to the next person and it automatically signs them in. No exiting said game, or logging one person out to log in another.

This is next gen. If you cant afford 100 pounds less than PS3 launched for, then good.

I don't want you holding back the progression of the Xbox One. Taking it out of the package and not including it with every Xbox would hold it back from a unified device perspective.

Very seriously, don't buy the Xbox One. Id rather you didn't ruin the next generation for all consoles. This isn't Xbox 360 .5

FANTASTIC ARTICLE.

AMAZING GENERATION AHEAD.

Do you get payed to be a Microsoft ass kisser?

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psrock on 09 October 2013

For Kinect to be important MS has to be the market leader, I don't see that happening.



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selnor1983 on 09 October 2013
Subie_Greg said:

I like how the PS4 is the PS3.5 because it doesn't have Kinect : )

Microsoft is basically saying once you try it you'll like it. Like telling someone they'll like Frog Legs or Rat Ass Pie if they just give them a chance.

I also laugh when people say Microsoft is thinking long term because of Kinect

While I do admire Microsoft for setting themselves apart from Sony, Kinect will never be anything other then a gimmick

Either some people dont realise whats happened or is going on or Playstation owners are happy to pay for something they arent using.

1. Kinect 2.0 isnt just the camera. Thats half of Kinect. Inside the console designed specifically for Kinect are seperate Chips only used by Kinect. There wont be a Kinectless Sku because half of Kinect is in the console itself. The camera isnt all of Kinect. Take away the camera, and your paying for a bunch chips that are useless to you.

2. Sony have taken the camera away. But sell you a controller which you dont need. Why dont Sony build a new controller that doesnt have the Eye feature set to save you the consumer money? Playstation fans seem glad to not pay for the camera, but pay for the controller with features they now cant use. Seems unthought out on Sonys part to me. Why not offer those who dont want the Eye a non Eye Controller cheaper? Especially those who buy more than 1.



landguy1 on 09 October 2013
Euphoria14 said:
I would buy an XBone if it didn't have Kinect. I personally don't find the camera to be worth $100-$150 of my money.

Some might, others won't.


I agree that if you look at Kinect as a part instead of part of the XB1 you come to the same conclusion a lot of the time.  The difference here is the same thing as the Bluray in the PS3 or the controller in the WiiU(which would have been fine if it had 4 controller suppoprt if you wanted more of them).  It is a part of the system.  The whole system was designed around it's capabilities.  People seem to get caught up in the "I don't need it to play games" part of the equation, which is identical to both of the items for the PS3/WiiU.  It is a way to enhance gaming or even provide a whole different kind of gaming(Motion) - unlike bluray that technically added nothing to gaming itself. Or it creates voice controls or the ability to use as a simple camera.

In the end, you are right though, if you can only see a camera, then thats all it is and you won't be playing on the XB1.

All I suggest for most people(even the people supporting it now) is to try it out in a real home where it is being used.  Base their opinions on something other than "it's a camera".    Most people hate spinach.  But most people like spinach dip.  If you look at just one ingredient or part, it just might not look good to you.



Yakuzaice on 09 October 2013
selnor1983 said:

Making tutorials or playing MMO's on Xbox One is gonna be so easy and seemless. Forget playing normal games and skyping. Skyping and playing WOW on PC is awkward, and can be slow as hell.

This is revolutionary for MMO's, multiplayer team tactics in FPS's etc. Or clan meetings, where everyone can see each other.

And its guarenteed everyone will have it.

Next generation is gonna be awesome.

What is awkward and slow as hell about using skype on the PC?  Granted most WoW players are probably using Vent or Mumble.  Also how many people can you even video skype with at once on Xbox One?  Even if I could see my 24 fellow raid members, why would I want to?  Just seems like a huge waste of screen space and bandwidth.  Even if it was just the raid leader, how useful is that?  If they were trying to draw out plans, surely something like google docs would be more useful than holding something in front of the camera.



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Subie_Greg on 09 October 2013
selnor1983 said:
Either some people dont realise whats happened or is going on or Playstation owners are happy to pay for something they arent using.

1. Kinect 2.0 isnt just the camera. Thats half of Kinect. Inside the console designed specifically for Kinect are seperate Chips only used by Kinect. There wont be a Kinectless Sku because half of Kinect is in the console itself. The camera isnt all of Kinect. Take away the camera, and your paying for a bunch chips that are useless to you.

2. Sony have taken the camera away. But sell you a controller which you dont need. Why dont Sony build a new controller that doesnt have the Eye feature set to save you the consumer money? Playstation fans seem glad to not pay for the camera, but pay for the controller with features they now cant use. Seems unthought out on Sonys part to me. Why not offer those who dont want the Eye a non Eye Controller cheaper? Especially those who buy more than 1.

Sadly then, half the Xbox One is a gimmick j/k



Euphoria14 on 09 October 2013
landguy1 said:
Euphoria14 said:
I would buy an XBone if it didn't have Kinect. I personally don't find the camera to be worth $100-$150 of my money.

Some might, others won't.


I agree that if you look at Kinect as a part instead of part of the XB1 you come to the same conclusion a lot of the time.  The difference here is the same thing as the Bluray in the PS3 or the controller in the WiiU(which would have been fine if it had 4 controller suppoprt if you wanted more of them).  It is a part of the system.  The whole system was designed around it's capabilities.  People seem to get caught up in the "I don't need it to play games" part of the equation, which is identical to both of the items for the PS3/WiiU.  It is a way to enhance gaming or even provide a whole different kind of gaming(Motion) - unlike bluray that technically added nothing to gaming itself. Or it creates voice controls or the ability to use as a simple camera.

In the end, you are right though, if you can only see a camera, then thats all it is and you won't be playing on the XB1.

All I suggest for most people(even the people supporting it now) is to try it out in a real home where it is being used.  Base their opinions on something other than "it's a camera".    Most people hate spinach.  But most people like spinach dip.  If you look at just one ingredient or part, it just might not look good to you.

If it is a part of it then why could you buy the XBone, unplug the Kinect and never touch it again?

It is packaged in, yes, but it is not required at all. It is more like an optional input scheme that is forced upon you at time of purchase whether you would choose to use it or not.

 

The fact that it isn't required in any way now should warrant a Kinect-less SKU.

It will come. I have patience. I will grab it when that time comes.



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kirby007 on 09 October 2013

1. it might cost them some sales right now yes ( price + those that feel obliged to the kinect
2. but it will create a userbase ( eventho not as big as without the kinect as everyone points out )
3. but it allows developers the possibility to be creative ( yes not every developer will be creative, but it will deliver new ideas )
4. this new creativity might convince people

( this one is for the doomseeers . they could drop kinect eventually if the situation doesn't go according to plan. Xbox Hardcore aka Xbox Two )



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endimion on 09 October 2013
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
Xenostar said:
selnor1983 said:
Zappykins said:
Xenostar said:
Its only a smart move if 3rd parties support it on mass, and i really doubt they will. But if they dont we will see a cheaper kinextless box next year, once they start seeing the stats of how few people use it.

Sorry, we will not be seeing a Kinectless Xbox One. 

You may have missed that part of the article as Kinect on the Xbox One is being supported in:

Dead Rising 3:box One Kinect integration allows zombies to respond to loud noises, bright lights and motion in the real world, along with the ability to grapple zombies and fling them off by shaking the controller.
Forza Motorsport 5: You’ll be able to use the head-tracking features again, which should work even better with the higher fidelity Kinect camera. Rumor has it that you’ll be able to do full Kinect enabled racing too.
Ryse Son Of Rome: Command legions using the all-new, high-fidelity Kinect. With the power of your voice you can command your surrounding units in battle in a strategic way to help defeat your foes, fire pilums or arrows, or block incoming attacks.
Killer Instinct: The game uses Kinect to automatically detect who is playing and load their settings.”Say there are eight of you and you just start sitting down. I know a lot of people are like, ah, the Kinect camera in the room, I’m scared! But the coolness of being able to sit down, the controller pairs itself to you when you pick it up. It knows your buttons. It knows how you like to play. It knows what characters you want to play.
“You can just say Start, and go. It knows who you are in the tournament bracket, so it will just automatically do the matches correctly.”
D4: D4 is a game from Swery65 and it actually uses Kinect to control the entire game if you so choose. It can also be controlled entirely with a controller, so it’s an option completely. Word is that the game is an absolute blast to play with Kinect and a breeze to use.
Crimson Dragon: This was originally a Kinect only game on the Xbox 360, but since has been switched over to the Xbox One and now includes regular controls, with the option for Kinect controls as well. Hand gestures for barrel rolls, and voice commands to control dragons are some of the options.
Battlefield 4: This is something quite a lot of people are looking forward to, head tracking in a FPS game would bring an entirely new level of immersion to the genre. Dice has said they are “looking into it”, but no official announcement has been made.
Call Of Duty Ghosts: Activision’s CEO, Eric Hirshberg, has confirmed that Call of Duty: Ghosts will integrate the new Kinect 2.0 voice commands feature. This is a first for a Call of Duty game.

And it's already been a great enhancement in Skyrim, Mass Effect 3, Halo Anniversary, etc. of the original Kinect on the Xbox 360.  It's like a cell phone, you don't realize how much you use it, till you have one.


Yep. Theres consoles out there with no camera included.

Its last gen or 1 from this gen

360, PS3 and PS4.

Vita comes bundled, DS etc etc.

Its the modern era, not the 1990's.

Guarantee there will be a kinectless SKU within 2 years, id take a bet on that, they released consoles without hard drives last gen and that was much more crippling to the systems. 

Of those games listed they use it in gimicky ways, ones not even confirmed, another had added controller support after originally being kinect only. 

As i said in another thread, to 3rd parties less than 50% of there audience will have kinect, theyll soon see there is more merit in adding impoving features for all there users not just gimmick features for a minority of there players. 

And that 50% is being very generous. 

I also dont expect 3rd parties to adopt PS4 touch pad or camera or the wii U Pad in meaningfull ways either on multiplatform games in the long term.

I do expect some early launch titles to use these features while the tech guys and designers are initially having fun playing with them, that will soon wear off. 

Thats crazy.

Kinect is intergrated into every single part of the Xbox One. Not just some added features.

Developers realised that Kinect enhances some games not controls some games hence the move that Crytek made.

Every game made for Xbox One uses Kinect. And if you dont realise your using it, then its done its job. You only notice it when your not using it. It makes Skyrim better. It makes Mass Effect 3 better. Yes you dont need it, but its better. Its seemless.

If Microsoft were going to do a SKU without it would be now. So they could outprice Sony. Its obvious Microsoft arent worried about the price or what Sony is doing.

I dont want to buy a gimped Xbox One. Its great that some people dont seem to mind buying a PS4 without the Eye, yet have a controller in their hand with missing features that they HAVE paid for. Or software they cant use because they bought the PS4 without the Eye.

Sony from a business poit of view and a consumer point of view did th wrong thing. I feel sorry for those that buy the Eye. Its gona have bugger all support.

No point doing kinectless at launch there sold out anyway

From a business point of view price is king, shown by the fact PS4 is out preordering Xbox by miles.

£425 console didnt fly for Sony when the world was rich and a £430 wont fly for MS after a double dip recession, once they have got passed initial stock issues they will be looking to get that price down asap. 

I'm taking the bet.... there will be no kinectless bundle.... why??? because they are better off taking the price cut road and keep the kinect in the bundle.... if there is really a market share issue due to price... MS will cut it at the same price or lower than PS4 without changing the bundle.... there is no point to take it out.... they don't make money on the hardware anyway... they would be better off absorbing a bigger loss per unit... increase in market share and therefor royalties will cover the loss anyway....

 

and the price in recession.. this is complete BS (it shouldn't be but it is, people are stupid) when you see how iPhones, Galaxy etc sell... which have way more, cheaper alternative that do just as much for most people usage than the console world has alternatives.... this gen will be fought on game library quality (exclusive Blockbusters) and non gaming capabilities.... once the early adopter / core gamer will have make their choice... the price of each rig will be pretty much the same and the power difference won't be a big factor for mainstream gamers....

anyway I wouldn't be surprised to see the XB1 price go down faster than the PS4 and end up cheaper... MS can afford it 



endimion on 09 October 2013
Euphoria14 said:
landguy1 said:
Euphoria14 said:
I would buy an XBone if it didn't have Kinect. I personally don't find the camera to be worth $100-$150 of my money.

Some might, others won't.


I agree that if you look at Kinect as a part instead of part of the XB1 you come to the same conclusion a lot of the time.  The difference here is the same thing as the Bluray in the PS3 or the controller in the WiiU(which would have been fine if it had 4 controller suppoprt if you wanted more of them).  It is a part of the system.  The whole system was designed around it's capabilities.  People seem to get caught up in the "I don't need it to play games" part of the equation, which is identical to both of the items for the PS3/WiiU.  It is a way to enhance gaming or even provide a whole different kind of gaming(Motion) - unlike bluray that technically added nothing to gaming itself. Or it creates voice controls or the ability to use as a simple camera.

In the end, you are right though, if you can only see a camera, then thats all it is and you won't be playing on the XB1.

All I suggest for most people(even the people supporting it now) is to try it out in a real home where it is being used.  Base their opinions on something other than "it's a camera".    Most people hate spinach.  But most people like spinach dip.  If you look at just one ingredient or part, it just might not look good to you.

If it is a part of it then why could you buy the XBone, unplug the Kinect and never touch it again?

It is packaged in, yes, but it is not required at all. It is more like an optional input scheme that is forced upon you at time of purchase whether you would choose to use it or not.

 

The fact that it isn't required in any way now should warrant a Kinect-less SKU.

It will come. I have patience. I will grab it when that time comes.

you can only do it now because people asked for it....

 

pretty sure people that actually will do it (have it in the box) will have intempestive pop ups saying "this feature requires kinect please plug in the device and press continue or press back"

so yeah you will be able to do without it.... but you won't have access to all the features even outside of gaming and will be jumping around through a bunch of complicated menu just to not use something simple.... to me not having the kinect on XB1 will be simillar or even worst than not having the remote on a TV.... yeah sure you can still use it with the side buttons on the TV but it's way more fastidious... but if it's what they want, it's up to them... that's why they do have the option to leave the remote in the box.... same with kinect