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oniyide on 10 September 2013
Mythmaker1 said:
KylieDog said:
The reason you do not understand the story isn't because do not play all the games, is because the writing is piss poor.


Yes and no. The reason the writing is so poor is because the story is segmented into spinoffs, instead of one consolidated narrative.


how can you comment on the writing when you havent played all the games? That makes no sense. It is all one narrative, its one continuous story. As a guy whos played them all, the story still would be all over the place whether it was multiplat or not



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Mythmaker1 on 10 September 2013
oniyide said:
Mythmaker1 said:
KylieDog said:
The reason you do not understand the story isn't because do not play all the games, is because the writing is piss poor.


Yes and no. The reason the writing is so poor is because the story is segmented into spinoffs, instead of one consolidated narrative.


how can you comment on the writing when you havent played all the games? That makes no sense. It is all one narrative, its one continuous story. As a guy whos played them all, the story still would be all over the place whether it was multiplat or not

Because the story is not the writing. When people refer to "the writing," it usually refers to the way the story is told. It's the way things are explained, or presented.

And the way Kingdom Hearts presents its story is really poor because it's not often in the habit of explaining things, especially those things the player needs to know, in the game where that info is relevant.



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oniyide on 10 September 2013
Mythmaker1 said:
oniyide said:
Mythmaker1 said:
KylieDog said:
The reason you do not understand the story isn't because do not play all the games, is because the writing is piss poor.


Yes and no. The reason the writing is so poor is because the story is segmented into spinoffs, instead of one consolidated narrative.


how can you comment on the writing when you havent played all the games? That makes no sense. It is all one narrative, its one continuous story. As a guy whos played them all, the story still would be all over the place whether it was multiplat or not

Because the story is not the writing. When people refer to "the writing," it usually refers to the way the story is told. It's the way things are explained, or presented.

And the way Kingdom Hearts presents its story is really poor because it's not often in the habit of explaining things, especially those things the player needs to know, in the game where that info is relevant.


And you believe it would have been better if all the games were on one system? That wouldnt make it better, it would save some people money, but that has no bearing on the story at all.



RenCutypoison on 10 September 2013
Mythmaker1 said:
RenCutypoison said:

It's called spin offs. You don't have to play all of them to understand the story, but it's a PLUS. And yeah, you have to pay for the plus. And KH spinoff are funded with exclusivity. Wich gives us more games, even if on different platforms.

I didn't play COM before KH2, it didn't prevent me to understand 2. Why would it be different with 3 ? 

Without referencing anything from the spinoffs, can you explain how the characters got from where they were at the end of KH1 to the start of KH2? There is no sense of continuity between the two games becausea story was told in between to explain how the characters arrived where they did.

And I'm not asking them to bankroll multiplats of all these spinoffs. But if information from the spinoffs is necessary to understand the plot and characters, they need to put that information into the story proper. Even a throwaway line to explain why so many of the Organization people are gone, and what the deal is with Axel and Roxas, and what that letter at the end of the first game led to.


It was explain in 3 minutes with a cool song at the beginning xD

Of course it felt like I missed some part of the storyline, but KH2 story didn't need it, everything in KH2 storyline was explained in KH2, it's only the impact of KH2 storyline on the whole universe that needed the understanding of COM. (<- Weird and too long phrasing)



Ajax on 10 September 2013


In a somewhat different form Square scattered FFVII story pieces over many platforms,
including mobile phones, exclusive to Japan. Now thats hard to get your hands on and understand.


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Mythmaker1 on 10 September 2013
oniyide said:
Mythmaker1 said:
oniyide said:
Mythmaker1 said:
KylieDog said:
The reason you do not understand the story isn't because do not play all the games, is because the writing is piss poor.


Yes and no. The reason the writing is so poor is because the story is segmented into spinoffs, instead of one consolidated narrative.


how can you comment on the writing when you havent played all the games? That makes no sense. It is all one narrative, its one continuous story. As a guy whos played them all, the story still would be all over the place whether it was multiplat or not

Because the story is not the writing. When people refer to "the writing," it usually refers to the way the story is told. It's the way things are explained, or presented.

And the way Kingdom Hearts presents its story is really poor because it's not often in the habit of explaining things, especially those things the player needs to know, in the game where that info is relevant.


And you believe it would have been better if all the games were on one system? That wouldnt make it better, it would save some people money, but that has no bearing on the story at all.

Ideally, those spinoffs would be actual spinoffs, where they add context to the story without being required to understand it. As it is, you have to jump through hoops to understand the story because these "spinoffs" contain information important to understanding the main series plot.

That already makes this a mess, but it's manageable if those games are at least convenient to acquire. Except they aren't, because they're spread across so many systems.

I can get a PS2, KH1, and KH2, with all the fixins I need, for $100. To play the rest, you're looking at another $200 before you even buy the games.



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oniyide on 10 September 2013
Mythmaker1 said:
oniyide said:
Mythmaker1 said:
oniyide said:
Mythmaker1 said:
KylieDog said:
The reason you do not understand the story isn't because do not play all the games, is because the writing is piss poor.


Yes and no. The reason the writing is so poor is because the story is segmented into spinoffs, instead of one consolidated narrative.


how can you comment on the writing when you havent played all the games? That makes no sense. It is all one narrative, its one continuous story. As a guy whos played them all, the story still would be all over the place whether it was multiplat or not

Because the story is not the writing. When people refer to "the writing," it usually refers to the way the story is told. It's the way things are explained, or presented.

And the way Kingdom Hearts presents its story is really poor because it's not often in the habit of explaining things, especially those things the player needs to know, in the game where that info is relevant.


And you believe it would have been better if all the games were on one system? That wouldnt make it better, it would save some people money, but that has no bearing on the story at all.

Ideally, those spinoffs would be actual spinoffs, where they add context to the story without being required to understand it. As it is, you have to jump through hoops to understand the story because these "spinoffs" contain information important to understanding the main series plot.

That already makes this a mess, but it's manageable if those games are at least convenient to acquire. Except they aren't, because they're spread across so many systems.

I can get a PS2, KH1, and KH2, with all the fixins I need, for $100. To play the rest, you're looking at another $200 before you even buy the games.


I think the problem here is that you are considering spinoffs. They are not, they are canonically parts of the overall saga, just because they dont have a number doesnt make it less so. Hell BBS is pretty much KH0. MGS Peace Walker is not a spinoff, its part of the story not to mention it has the same gameplay. Rising? Spinoff, alternate future and it has different gameplay



Mythmaker1 on 10 September 2013

RenCutypoison said:

It was explain in 3 minutes with a cool song at the beginning xD

Of course it felt like I missed some part of the storyline, but KH2 story didn't d it, everything in KH2 storyline was explained in KH2, it's only the impact of KH2 storyline on the whole universe that needed the understanding of COM. (<- Weird and too long phrasing)


That really doesn't provide enough context, though. I'm sure if I was more familiar with the story it would imply more, but a lot of the images are disconnnected and don't make a lot of sense on their own. Kind of like the beginning of the first game, which I didn't understand too well either.

As far as the story of KH2 goes, I refer to the previous questions I thought needed answering. Who are Roxas and Axel and why do they matter? What is Organization XIII and what happened to its other members? What was with the letter?



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Mythmaker1 on 10 September 2013
oniyide said:

I think the problem here is that you are considering spinoffs. They are not, they are canonically parts of the overall saga, just because they dont have a number doesnt make it less so. Hell BBS is pretty much KH0. MGS Peace Walker is not a spinoff, its part of the story not to mention it has the same gameplay. Rising? Spinoff, alternate future and it has different gameplay

Hency why I put "spinoffs" in quotes. Because if they were actually spinoffs, I wouldn't have a problem since I wouldn't need to play them to understand.

However, since they're part of the main series in all but name, I pretty much have to play them to understand what's going on, and the way it's strucutred makes that infuriatingly difficult. It's like if Halo 1 and Halo 4 were on Xbox 360, while Halo 2 was on PS3, Halo 3 was on PSP, and Halo: Reach was on Wii.



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artur-fernand on 10 September 2013

This serie's story is a mess. At its core, is a very simple plot, but it's told so poorly that it looks like it's complicated and "epic". Way too pretentious and full of itself.

The only reason I have some hype for KH3 is because I had SO MUCH fun with KH2. I thought KH1 was okay, and BbS was pretty good, but it became too repetitive for me. But maybe I gotta replay it, I have the feeling I missed something. I have a DS and didn't even bother with 358/2 Days or Recoded. I'll probably buy 2.5 Remix for the HD version of KH2, and if 3D comes with that, maybe I'll give it a try...