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Puppyroach on 05 September 2013
JoeTheBro said:
Puppyroach said:
JoeTheBro said:

Unless they redid the whole lighting system in the past few months, it's pre baked.


I love these kind of things, people actually spending time drawing these lines like a true conspiracy theorist :).

I looked around on youtube for clips containg these images, but couldn´t find them. I did, however, find a clip from Forza 5, taken outside of the car and with a lot of potential imagery to draw these lines in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwJ28jorf6s

Does it actually look prebaked to you?

 

EDIT:

Found them, and they are prerendered screens in the game, just look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXJMOZxQtwk 0:41 to 0:47 :).

Found the pic on neogaf way back during the first xbox event. It went along with a pic of COD showing it also was pre baked. Don't know where the pics came from, I just used them to point out that the lights are pre baked.

As for your question, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PRE BAKED LIGHTING IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING? You can get great results with it and based off the talent at Turn10, that's very possible with pre baking it. The downside of pre-baking is that accuracy mistakes are more likely, hence these pictures.

 

Thanks for that video. Strange that that the first one is still being used in the game code even though the shadows are obviously off. Now I feel the need to re-watch the Xbox reveal to see what else that screen shot was used for.

As for the second image, did you even watch the video you posted? The image isn't anywhere in sight! The closest thing to that image is during gameplay when the driver goes past the same area...

 

Look at that pre-baked railing shadow again ;)

Unless you want to prove the final game will have a different lighting engine than this build, Forza 5 has pre-baked shadows. Case closed.

We will need to cut out the pictures soon, it makes the responses kind of long :).

I am guessing you mean that the first image isn´t anywhere in the video, but I would hazard a guess that it is another one of the loading screens.

I am prefectly aware that prebaked isn´t a bad thing necessarily (and I am not saying it is that or dynamic) but I am fascinated with how many people that focus on it as an argument AGAINST Forza 5´s graphics. And, since Turn 10 has said that they use dynamic lightning and shadowing, I will take their word for it, above outsiders drawing arrows and lines any day :).

Regarding that gif, I  have a hard time judging whether or not it is prebaked, since you need to look at a complete video to make the judgement, not a gif showing a few seconds. 

If it is prebaked, and it at the same time makes the game look superior to other racing, games, I have no problem with it. Turn 10 still say they are dynamic, shouldn´t we go by that until the game is actually released and we can judge it for ourselves?



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Lulz on 05 September 2013
JoeTheBro said:
selnor1983 said:
Lol. All this bullshit talk about forza baked lighting from sad people. Forza 4 has rwaltime lighting confirmed by the developers. Forza 5 has again got a brand new lighting sytem again confirmed by turn 10. Oh and yeah what bit of dynamic lighting coming from turn 10 does some people not understand. Turn 10 dan greenwalt confirmed it. End of.

Wut?

Unless they redid the whole lighting system in the past few months, it's pre baked.


And it stilll ooks better visually than Driveclub regardless of whether it's pre-baked or not.



Lulz on 05 September 2013
riderz13371 said:
selnor1983 said:
Hes right.

killzone isn't in the top 2 at launch. Ryse and forza 5 both look better technically. I am even technically more impressed watching the skyscraper collapse in 64 player battlefield than anything killzone has.

also infamous is awesome, but quantum break is equally as impressive if not moreso. That game has the best ingame character models out there so far.

even the media is not saying anything about any ps4 game at launch being better than xbox one. Actually ive read more media saying forza 5 is technically visually stunning than any other launch game.

Is Quantum Break open world? Have you seen gameplay footage?


What difference does that make? Halo 4 is an open world, Uncharted 2 and 3 are practically on rails they are so closed in, and I guarantee you wouldn't say that Halo 4 is better visually then either of those games.



MB1025 on 05 September 2013

People must not have watched the new vid doc of RYSE.



riderz13371 on 05 September 2013
Lulz said:
riderz13371 said:
selnor1983 said:
Hes right.

killzone isn't in the top 2 at launch. Ryse and forza 5 both look better technically. I am even technically more impressed watching the skyscraper collapse in 64 player battlefield than anything killzone has.

also infamous is awesome, but quantum break is equally as impressive if not moreso. That game has the best ingame character models out there so far.

even the media is not saying anything about any ps4 game at launch being better than xbox one. Actually ive read more media saying forza 5 is technically visually stunning than any other launch game.

Is Quantum Break open world? Have you seen gameplay footage?


What difference does that make? Halo 4 is an open world, Uncharted 2 and 3 are practically on rails they are so closed in, and I guarantee you wouldn't say that Halo 4 is better visually then either of those games.

I think seeing gameplay footage makes a pretty big difference. Also, I didn't know Halo 4 was open world. So you can go wherever you want in the game?



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riderz13371 on 05 September 2013
Lulz said:
JoeTheBro said:
selnor1983 said:
Lol. All this bullshit talk about forza baked lighting from sad people. Forza 4 has rwaltime lighting confirmed by the developers. Forza 5 has again got a brand new lighting sytem again confirmed by turn 10. Oh and yeah what bit of dynamic lighting coming from turn 10 does some people not understand. Turn 10 dan greenwalt confirmed it. End of.

Wut?

Unless they redid the whole lighting system in the past few months, it's pre baked.


And it stilll ooks better visually than Driveclub regardless of whether it's pre-baked or not.

He's not arguing that Drive Club looks better than Forza. Heck, he's not even arguing that pre baked shadows look bad. Maybe you should read all his posts first before going on the attack.



JoeTheBro on 05 September 2013
Puppyroach said:
JoeTheBro said:

Thanks for that video. Strange that that the first one is still being used in the game code even though the shadows are obviously off. Now I feel the need to re-watch the Xbox reveal to see what else that screen shot was used for.

As for the second image, did you even watch the video you posted? The image isn't anywhere in sight! The closest thing to that image is during gameplay when the driver goes past the same area...

Look at that pre-baked railing shadow again ;)

Unless you want to prove the final game will have a different lighting engine than this build, Forza 5 has pre-baked shadows. Case closed.

Regarding that gif, I  have a hard time judging whether or not it is prebaked, since you need to look at a complete video to make the judgement, not a gif showing a few seconds. 

If it is prebaked, and it at the same time makes the game look superior to other racing, games, I have no problem with it. Turn 10 still say they are dynamic, shouldn´t we go by that until the game is actually released and we can judge it for ourselves?

It's pre-baked.

No one has posted a link to Turn10 saying it's dynamic, so I'll trust the game itself over hearsay.

riderz13371 said:

He's not arguing that Drive Club looks better than Forza. Heck, he's not even arguing that pre baked shadows look bad. Maybe you should read all his posts first before going on the attack.

Thanks ;)



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KingdomHeartsFan on 05 September 2013

Honestly I don't care which game look better, I care which play better and it looks like PS4's games do.  At least with the games I'm interested in.



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Darth Tigris on 05 September 2013

As most people here haven't even seen ANY of these games in person, most of your opinions are irrelevant.

I haven't read anything from those that have seen all of these next gen games in person that leads me to believe either console shows a graphical edge at this point. None.

For most here, your ashy, shriveled biases are showing. That's just nasty.