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iamdeath on 29 August 2013
DJEVOLVE said:
iamdeath said:
 

Thats quite a leap you made there, i said that ONE deal made no diff for sony in america, no where does that mean i said advertising doesn't work. Funny how your mind works.


No it's easy to read.


How can you read what doesn't exist?



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Areym on 29 August 2013
DJEVOLVE said:
Areym said:
DJEVOLVE said:
Good for you but failure rates where just as bad. i had 4 break on me.

I don't recall a PS2 failure rate debacle the likes of the RROD disaster. If you had 4 PS2 brakes on you, I find it hard to believe it was the PS2's fault entirely or you're a masochist. Then again, I couldn't find any statistics and forums seem to be split on the matter.

EDIT: Wait. so the PS2 had a high failure rate and so you won't trust sony. They make the PS3 with a very low failure rate compared to the 360, fixing most of the problems that the PS2 had...and you still don't trust them. Well, alright then.

it wasn't only me, it was all my friends. this was no secret. however sony did a great job of covering it up. Not only that, the social web was not as active as it is today. So the problem was known but not all over the web, like everything is today. Sony has horrible record of backing their products. They don't cover their tv's, I had a early flat screen that died and they wanted to charge me half the cost of it to fix it. Sony is a horrible company to spend big money with. XBOX 360, warranty was so good i walked into wal-mart and got a new core out of the box, instantly. Not only that it was all free.  All companies have problems, its how you handle the problems. I been buying products since the Earlier 90's.  So i have history with them. So you may have your reasons but Sony does not back their products.
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Ah, this goes beyond console. Fair enough then.



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dsgrue3 on 29 August 2013
DirtyP2002 said:
dsgrue3 said:
DirtyP2002 said:

Well Sony invested heavily in the PS Move, according to some people here even before the launch of the Wii. Yet they did not make it the "standard bundle" and it sold like... well ... it did not sell at all.

 

So as long as bundles guarantee the software support, I am fine with it. MS has enough problems with the X1 already, they don't need a PS Move-like debacle.

15 million is not selling at all?

Is this what happens when you become loyal to a company? Just say extremely inept things? Lol, no thank you. I prefer to live in reality.

It was advertised as THE Game Changer. A userbase of 5 million is and educated guess and this is really really bad.
Please, don't try to spin this. The PS Move did not achieve what Sony hoped it would.

LOL, I'm spinning it by explaining to you that it sold 15 million units? That's a fact bro. 

Meanwhile "and it sold like... well ... it did not sell at all."

You can't possibly be this deluded? No, it did not achieve the success Sony had hoped. Where did I ever argue it did? Oh right, no where. Are you incapable of sticking to factual information and points I make? Clearly.

Keep running with that agenda of yours. I'll continue to mock and laugh at your rather nonsensical posts. 

15 million is not selling at all folks. 



DJEVOLVE on 29 August 2013
iamdeath said:
DJEVOLVE said:
iamdeath said:
 

Thats quite a leap you made there, i said that ONE deal made no diff for sony in america, no where does that mean i said advertising doesn't work. Funny how your mind works.


No it's easy to read.


How can you read what doesn't exist

No, leap, you just said the NFL partnership will not work. WTF is the partnership about? Advertising. REALLY? ARE YOU REALLY ThaT, forget it.  I got shit to do then talk to someone that can't understand what he is even saying.



J_Allard on 29 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:

My words are not useless if I am showing you proof and you refuse to accept it. You are beyond help, thats the ONLY conclusion.

You are showing absolutely nothing but ignorance and bias. 

Thats what the R&D video is for. The people who created the product within Sony R&D know what the product can do and have proven it. Whatever third party or first party games are created are up to the creators not R&D. You're putting the cart before the horse. 

Again, can you play Halo 4 with the Kinect? No, if you did it would be on rails. People even use the Move for multiplayer because the camera/motion tracker ball 1:1. Some like it better than the actual controller and I know people who do. I personally thought Socom was badass with the Move. Sports Champions has far more potential than Kinect Sports.

I am finished. To even have the respect to give you links is going way more out of my way than I should with the likes of you. Do not even respond, because I will not be reading. You are not worth it in the slightest.

Again, what bias? You are claiming there is a revolution with the Move and it is possible to create tons of these impossible games. Even the devs in those diary videos talk about genres that were impossible before, now being possible. I am simply asking for the proof. All you can provide is a series of videos that don't show any of that.

You do understand what a revolution is, yes? For something to be "revolutionary", it has to spark big changes. CoD4 was revolutionary this gen. The PS Move was not revolutionary. You can harp on potential and R&D all you want. It doesn't change reality. I bet the Virtual Boy R&D team members sure thought they would be creating something revolutionary too. I am sure many on the Xbone design team thought the original plan for the Xbone would be revolutionary. Turns out they were wrong. Turns out these Move R&D guys were wrong. Turns out you are wrong.

I do find it hilarious though that you keep harping on these videos. It's R&D guys doing tech demos, and then a bunch of developers making incredibly shitty games.

Bowling - 47%
Fight - 48%
Sports Champions - 76%
Party - 55%
Eyepet - 70%
Shoot - 59%
TV - 56%

Apparently you're confused. There was already a "revolution" of shitty motion control games, it started on the Wii. But thank you for proving my point.



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attaboy on 29 August 2013
iamdeath said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Good for you but failure rates where just as bad. i had 4 break on me.

Later PS2 where fixed just like xbox 360 but where never warrantied like xbox. Why I will never go to sony again. If they have the problem again they already proved they will not cover it. It's not secret PS2 had very high failure rates early on in the gen.


Umm no they were not, please. RROD was en epic disaster. Ps2 failure rates were still withing line of major electronics or they would have gotten sued........... They also sold 150 million of them so yes more reports of failue not unexpected.


I'm just passing through but:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-settles-ps2-class-action-suit-6139482

That was just the first thing that popped up when I googled "Playstation 2 class action law suit"

I've been gaming since the Nes and I NEVER had any device break on me.  I went through two Playstation 1's and three Playstation 2's!  The thing was faulty.  It couldn't read certain movie DVDs.  After a while, there where PS2's that just quit reading the Blue PS2 discs (CD's).  Mine quit reading any discs at all. My nephew got one at launch--we had to fight tooth and nail for one because demand was so high.  I didn't get one until the following April!--and his would only play for a few minutes before it would just turn off.  Meanwhile, the Xbox and Gamecube were nigh indestructible.

Because of my experience with Playstations, I said that I wouldn't buy a PS3 for $600 until I was sure it wouldn't break on me....then I got an Xbox 360 and THAT broke.  I was like "WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUCK"!!  But yeah, I had two 360's break on me, too.  And, my first PS3 died on my early this year.  Basically, any console I support dies.  That's my story.  Thanks for listening.



iamdeath on 29 August 2013
J_Allard said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

My words are not useless if I am showing you proof and you refuse to accept it. You are beyond help, thats the ONLY conclusion.

You are showing absolutely nothing but ignorance and bias. 

Thats what the R&D video is for. The people who created the product within Sony R&D know what the product can do and have proven it. Whatever third party or first party games are created are up to the creators not R&D. You're putting the cart before the horse. 

Again, can you play Halo 4 with the Kinect? No, if you did it would be on rails. People even use the Move for multiplayer because the camera/motion tracker ball 1:1. Some like it better than the actual controller and I know people who do. I personally thought Socom was badass with the Move. Sports Champions has far more potential than Kinect Sports.

I am finished. To even have the respect to give you links is going way more out of my way than I should with the likes of you. Do not even respond, because I will not be reading. You are not worth it in the slightest.

Again, what bias? You are claiming there is a revolution with the Move and it is possible to create tons of these impossible games. Even the devs in those diary videos talk about genres that were impossible before, now being possible. I am simply asking for the proof. All you can provide is a series of videos that don't show any of that.

You do understand what a revolution is, yes? For something to be "revolutionary", it has to spark big changes. CoD4 was revolutionary this gen. The PS Move was not revolutionary. You can harp on potential and R&D all you want. It doesn't change reality. I bet the Virtual Boy R&D team members sure thought they would be creating something revolutionary too. I am sure many on the Xbone design team thought the original plan for the Xbone would be revolutionary. Turns out they were wrong. Turns out these Move R&D guys were wrong. Turns out you are wrong.

I do find it hilarious though that you keep harping on these videos. It's R&D guys doing tech demos, and then a bunch of developers making incredibly shitty games.

Bowling - 47%
Fight - 48%
Sports Champions - 76%
Party - 55%
Eyepet - 70%
Shoot - 59%
TV - 56%

Apparently you're confused. There was already a "revolution" of shitty motion control games, it started on the Wii. But thank you for proving my point.

The revolution passed in 2009-10, the fad is over, ask nintendo.



iamdeath on 29 August 2013
attaboy said:
iamdeath said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 


Good for you but failure rates where just as bad. i had 4 break on me.

Later PS2 where fixed just like xbox 360 but where never warrantied like xbox. Why I will never go to sony again. If they have the problem again they already proved they will not cover it. It's not secret PS2 had very high failure rates early on in the gen.


Umm no they were not, please. RROD was en epic disaster. Ps2 failure rates were still withing line of major electronics or they would have gotten sued........... They also sold 150 million of them so yes more reports of failue not unexpected.


I'm just passing through but:  http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-settles-ps2-class-action-suit-6139482

That was just the first thing that popped up when I googled "Playstation 2 class action law suit"

I've been gaming since the Nes and I NEVER had any device break on me.  I went through two Playstation 1's and three Playstation 2's!  The thing was faulty.  It couldn't read certain DVDs.  After a while, there where PS2's that just quit reading the Blue PS2 discs (CD's).  My nephew got one at launch--we had to fight tooth and nail for one because demand was so high.  I didn't get one until the following April!--and his would only play for a few minutes before it would just turn off.  Meanwhile, the Xbox and Gamecube were nigh indestructible.

Because of my experience with Playstations, I said that I wouldn't buy a PS3 for $600 until I was sure it wouldn't break on me....then I got an Xbox 360 and THAT broke.  I was like "WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUCK"!!  But yeah, I had two 360's break on me, too.  And, my first PS3 died on my early this year.  Basically, any console I support dies.  That's my story.  Thanks for listening.

Yeah a class action lawsuit the got dismissed, happens all the time, doesn't really mean anything.



attaboy on 29 August 2013
iamdeath said:
 

Yeah a class action lawsuit the got dismissed, happens all the time, doesn't really mean anything.

Well, was there even an Xbox 360 lawsuit?  I mean, whether there was or wasn't, does it not "really mean anything"?  We can all agree there was a very real problem, right?

 

*edit* and from what I see, the lawsuit wasn't dismissed.  It was settled. 



iamdeath on 29 August 2013
attaboy said:
iamdeath said:
 

Yeah a class action lawsuit the got dismissed, happens all the time, doesn't really mean anything.

Well, was there even an Xbox 360 lawsuit?  I mean, whether there was or wasn't, does it not "really mean anything"?  We can all agree there was a very real problem, right?

There were growing concerns that retailers were going to stop selling 360's due to sheer number of consumer complains and growing media pressure, and then leaked documents showed MS shipped the console even after theri OWN engineers warned them about the issues. Then whispers of a lawsuit started and MS had no choice but to admit they had a big problem.

 

Not remotely the same.