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noname2200 said:
I'm thinking of posting a rant from another forum about how 9/11 was an inside job. What say y'all? Yay or nay?

It would cultivate the wrong impression. Some don't know who is conspiring against whom here.



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I don't know much about NES and N64, but I think it doesn't matter too much. Yes, some third parties may be angry from stuff that dates back to this time, but mostly it is more about making money than about revenge. Even more so, since most likely the CEOs from that era are long replaced.

So I pick a part about the Wii:
"So what happened here? Well, developers initially started their investments thinking the PS3 was going to be the industry leader, and after the price reveal they didn't change their strategy. Why? Because they realized that even if PS3 wasn't the market leader, it is smarter to release games that can be PS3+360+PC than just the Wii alone. The Wii put itself in a position where not only were the ports it could potentially receive extremely difficult to make comparatively (everything from the basics of an engine would have to be completely redesigned to critical online features being stripped out because of the horrendous online infrastructure), but most games would have to be made for Wii alone in mind if they were to really take advantage of the systems Wiimote technology and thus be competitive."

While the part about the devs initially developing for PS3 makes sense, the following doesn't make sense. The author here says, that it was more useful to develop for the PS3/X360/PC-market. But one thing about the PC-market is, that not everyone owns an expensive modern computer, many play games on older machines. To adjust for that, the games contain settings, that allow them to adjust to slower machines. This brings the games even to very less powerful PCs. PC that were not much in front of the Wii, if at all. So basically they already ported the games. Porting games to machines of different power is not difficult since the introduction of 3D. You have a lot of options to scale here. That's why games get ported to smartphones. It would have been not too hard to port to the Wii. And yes, the Wii got some port, including COD. So that's a no reason.

Also saying games must be developed with the Wiimote in mind and are basically different games is wrong. The Wiimote+Nunchuk can be used like a more classical controller if the buttons are used instead of motion-control. A lot of games did exactly that. In addition the Wii had a classic controller. Many games supported that.

The author doesn't make sense. There are a lot of reasons why 3rd-parties desert Nintendo on some consoles. But they did support the Gamecube and they do support the WiiU.



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Metallicube said:

Third parties WANT Nintendo to fail, plain and simple. If Nintendo goes, the standard in the industry goes TREMENDOUSLY lower, and the third parties get a TON more leverage in the industry, as Sony and MS essentially bend to their will (just look at the fiasco behind the Xbone regarding DRM, before MS quickly came to their senses and corrected it). Nintendo has made their share of mistakes, but at the end of the day they are not the biggest problem. The third parties are the problem..

This may sound like tin foil wearing shit but as someone who has paid close attention to the politics of this industry for over a decade and who has seen the actions of the third parties (as well as the third party supported gaming media and analysts such as Patcher) in relation to Nintendo, this to me is quite obvious..

I can't imagine someone actually believing this.

Bolded: because it does.



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bananaking21 said:
MDMAlliance said:
In general, I personally wouldn't call the decisions made by Nintendo stupid like too many people do.  Many times they can only be called stupid in hindsight.  Some of them aren't stupid, but are a bit greedy.  I mean, at the time I do not think that most people would have seen gaming grow to where it is today.  


There are many reasons Nintendo made the "bad decisions" they did, and none of them were "stupid" for the time.  While it seems like all I do is defend Nintendo or damage control and whatever, I do it because almost no one talks about it.  I certainly don't like when these things are missed out.  It paints the situation much differently and people start feeling the wrong emotions.

In the end, I am certain if Nintendo saw any of this coming they wouldn't have repeated their mistakes.  It seems to me that too many people feel that Nintendo makes mistakes because they're "stupid" and "don't know what they're doing."  It's pretty obvious to me that Nintendo is trying to strengthen their relationship with 3rd parties and create new ones with Indies. I feel that anyone who denies it hasn't been keeping up with gaming news.


i wasnt calling nintendo's decisions stupid, i was calling EA's and Konami's choice to not release their sports games on the WiiU stupid.

@bolded: well thats really a concerning point, they keep making a lot of these mistakes, i wouldnt say its because they are "stupid". they do them because they are out of touch with the industry, and other than the Wii they seemed to show that with every home console since the N64


Oh, I wasn't referring to you on that one.  I was just saying in general what I've seen people do.