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Forums - General - God doesn't prevent terrible things because?

 

Please choose wisely....

A. He can't 24 6.96%
 
B. He doesn't want to 86 24.93%
 
C. He causes them 22 6.38%
 
D. He doesn't exist. 213 61.74%
 
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The Fury said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

You can't have free will and determinism at the same time. That is basic knowledge.

If God is omniscient then he knew every detail of what would happen on and around Earth before time as we know it started. The way things were, are and will be were completely determined by God, as he made the decision, again, before time started. I.e. had he decided to change some details of his creation we would have made completely different decisions throughout our lives. But he settled with our current situation.

Settled? Is this really the best option for this creation? Because it's a crap one. This is where my idea that Gods knows all possible outcomes of future events and the fact Free Will shapes this.


God knows that no man will live a sin-free life. Having no evil in this world is not a possible outcome.

 

All in accordance with what he settled with.



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perspective

If there was no strife then we would all already be in heaven.

The problem with heaven and perfection is if that is all you've ever known, you take if for granted. Like a child born in wealth who is given his every whim and knows nothing else, grows disenchanted because it's all meaningless and empty to him. Until he experiences hardships he has no appreciation for his wealth. Until he suffers with others he seeks only to please himself. Until someone gives him without him being able to repay that person back - ever, he knows only money as having worth.

In heaven there is only God's will. On Earth there is man's will. Once we experience what a mess, and what a triumph that man's will can be, we can gladly submit to ourselves to God's perfect will in heaven that allows all to triumph in Him, through Him, not one over the other as we have it here.



 

Why if he exist, humain are made as the god picture sooooo,


Why do we have Extremely rich people feeding is wealth on the back of the poor ? Because deep down he doesn't care as far as the poor doesn't treath him.

So to be sure we have to make a weapon to kill God. So people I will start a kickstarter to make it happen.

Will see if god really existe. and then he will start the rapture, and then zombie apocalypse its like a win win situation



trixiemafia86 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
trixiemafia86 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
God doesn't prevent terrible things because he doesn't interfere directly with human activities.


So if that is true. does that mean praying is useless. because God won't interfere. (scratches head)

Praying is just meant to get you through things. God will listen but he won't intervene. So in a sense praying is useless. (This is my opinion)

Lolzz

Was that supposed to be a rebuttal or did you just not have anything else worth saying?



I'll throw in my two cents. My last two cents were actually bottle caps. This time, it's for real.

Who decides what's terrible? Man? From our point of view, a tsunami is a terrible thing. From the tuna's point of view, fishing is a terrible thing. From a bacteria's point of view, boiling meat is a terrible thing. The earth is a perfect ball of life floating in the vacuum of space. There's a balance that we just don't understand. As great as it would be for us to live forever in perfect bliss, that wouldn't last long. Everything has its purpose and that is the beauty of God. It's okay for us to question but realize that we are like mere children questioning the actions of an adult. We may not have the capacity to understand the answers to the questions we ask.



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MoiseHnkel said:
Why if he exist, humain are made as the god picture sooooo,


Why do we have Extremely rich people feeding is wealth on the back of the poor ? Because deep down he doesn't care as far as the poor doesn't treath him.

So to be sure we have to make a weapon to kill God. So people I will start a kickstarter to make it happen.

Will see if god really existe. and then he will start the rapture, and then zombie apocalypse its like a win win situation

Sorry can you try that again but in English this time?



Another thing I don't understand? "Free Will." I like the idea, but I find it to be incompatible with the Bible. Especially Exodus 4:21.



attaboy said:
I'll throw in my two cents. My last two cents were actually bottle caps. This time, it's for real.

Who decides what's terrible? Man? From our point of view, a tsunami is a terrible thing. From the tuna's point of view, fishing is a terrible thing. From a bacteria's point of view, boiling meat is a terrible thing. The earth is a perfect ball of life floating in the vacuum of space. There's a balance that we just don't understand. As great as it would be for us to live forever in perfect bliss, that wouldn't last long. Everything has its purpose and that is the beauty of God. It's okay for us to question but realize that we are like mere children questioning the actions of an adult. We may not have the capacity to understand the answers to the questions we ask.

Man decides what's best for man. I hope that wasn't a serious question?



The Fury said:
Licence said:
The Fury said:

... however God cannot affect Cain's free will of choice, to say that he did kill him or that he didn't.

LOL, that seems like a stretch. God does not want to intrude on Cain's free will of answering a question posed by God himself in the first place? Heavens no, this makes no sense to me. Perhaps if God was trying to get Cain to expose this information to a non-omniscient third party? Who knows?

You mean... like Cain himself? Get Cain to highlight to himself what he had done? An interesting thought indeed.


Presumably Cain would know what Cain had done - I was more alluding that maybe God was trying to get Cain to confess to some other person. But as I said, it's a stretch.



dsgrue3 said:
attaboy said:
I'll throw in my two cents. My last two cents were actually bottle caps. This time, it's for real.

Who decides what's terrible? Man? From our point of view, a tsunami is a terrible thing. From the tuna's point of view, fishing is a terrible thing. From a bacteria's point of view, boiling meat is a terrible thing. The earth is a perfect ball of life floating in the vacuum of space. There's a balance that we just don't understand. As great as it would be for us to live forever in perfect bliss, that wouldn't last long. Everything has its purpose and that is the beauty of God. It's okay for us to question but realize that we are like mere children questioning the actions of an adult. We may not have the capacity to understand the answers to the questions we ask.

Man decides what's best for man. I hope that wasn't a serious question?

The term "rhetorical question" may be lost on you.  Of course we decide what's best for us--but we can only decide from our point of view.  What we see as something terrible may be something necessary in a greater scheme.