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Zero999 on 19 August 2013
Kasz216 said:

She was restraining him physically from doing his job.  So i'm not sure what your issue is here.

Outside that... gun are peperspray are you crazy?


Ok he pulls out his gun.  She keeps physically restraining him, or the woman that was being arrested begins to leave or run.

What's he supposed to do now?  Fucking shoot them?  Let them escape?  

 

 

As for Pepperspray.  Many police forces actually authorize physical force and violence before peperspray because the effects of pepperspray are so varied.  It could have little to no effect or it could sent someone into huge fits and maybe even cause death if the person has a medical condition like Astma.

Often it's reserved for large crowds.

http://nopepperspray.org/when_police_play_russian_roulette_ella_baker_center.pdf

you said pepper spray can have little to no effect or kill someone, well, so can a punch. but I'm sure the pepper spray will have much less chances of killing her than the free punch.

and please tell me how was she keep restraining him if there's a gun pointed at her?



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Zero999 on 19 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kasz216 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kasz216 said:


If the cop restrained the original woman and held her down after resisting arrest can the other woman stand in between them and create space while he handcuffs her? He was trying to arrest her first. The other woman tried to stand in the way got punched and then he told her not to move as he went back after the original woman.

Did you even watch the video?

That's not what happened at all.


I just watched again, ok she tried to push him off of her friend not just stand in between. A guy held her friend back so the cop could continue the arrest after she got punched and was rest pressed against the car. Back to my point...why couldn't the cop just completely restrained her and just handcuffed her? 

I guess this argument all comes down to values, I dont believe a man should hit a woman. When I say this I am speaking primarily on offensive force, not primarily defense. If it comes down to it and a man is forced to them whatever happens, happens. 

And those women you claim can whip my ass, I do not hang out around particularily aggressive females. If a woman attacked me I am confident in my ability to restrain a person. Im athletic, 191 lbs and have been in fights before, yet I do not like to fight all together. Yes..I am very protective of women. I would rather court a woman than fight her.

As for that black and asian argument....I wont even respond to that but give a counter-question. Since when in history has a man given quarter to another man because they were smaller? That would mean by rights the Spaniards should've left the native americans and mexicans alone then if we're going by average height. 

bolded: just stop it now. It's sick.



DD_Bwest on 19 August 2013

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Kasz216 on 19 August 2013
Zero999 said:
Kasz216 said:

She was restraining him physically from doing his job.  So i'm not sure what your issue is here.

Outside that... gun are peperspray are you crazy?


Ok he pulls out his gun.  She keeps physically restraining him, or the woman that was being arrested begins to leave or run.

What's he supposed to do now?  Fucking shoot them?  Let them escape?  

 

 

As for Pepperspray.  Many police forces actually authorize physical force and violence before peperspray because the effects of pepperspray are so varied.  It could have little to no effect or it could sent someone into huge fits and maybe even cause death if the person has a medical condition like Astma.

Often it's reserved for large crowds.

http://nopepperspray.org/when_police_play_russian_roulette_ella_baker_center.pdf

you said pepper spray can have little to no effect or kill someone, well, so can a punch. but I'm sure the pepper spray will have much less chances of killing her than the free punch.

and please tell me how was she keep restraining him if there's a gun pointed at her?

Then a single punch?  Not really no.  It's very hard to kill someone with a single punch.

And how was she going to keep restraining him if there's a gun pointed at her.... by grabbing the gun, grabbing his hands, dodging out of the way.

I mean she clearly was giving no fucks at that point... and would she really expect the dude to shoot her? 

Pulling out your gun is needlessly escalating the situation to a MUCH higher chacne somebody ends up dead.

 

A gun is only a deterrant if you think the person actually is going to use it.  If you pull it out in a smaller situation nobody is going to respect it, and your going to look like an ass/lose ALL of your authority...

and holy shit if the dude pulled a gun out on the lady the media firestorm would of been about 20 times worse without anything progressing beyond that.



Branko2166 on 19 August 2013
Zero999 said:
Branko2166 said:

+1

It is a bit worrying how misguided or seemingly brainwashed some people are. We have laws for a reason. They apply to everyone and under all circumstances. Obviously we have our own individual moral compass but we must all follow the same law otherwise we run the risk of anarchy/disorder.

As far as the gender angle goes which has been debated in this thread, I think a bit of common sense should apply. Wether you are male or female and no matter what race you are you should expect to be dealt with harshly if you attempt to get physical in any way with the police. Even if you feel you are wrongly being targeted/arrested. The right way to deal with it is to submit to the arrest without resisting and then contest the charges if necessary.

Personally I am for equality where everyone is treated fairly under law with no consideration of gender/race/religion etc. 

Also regarding the cop carrying weapons, not only does he have to take into consideration his own safety but that of others as well. Consider what could happen not only to him but also others in close proximity if his weapon/s were taken from him by someone.

@S.T.A.G.E.

You cannot have it both ways. Either women are equal hence get treated equally. Or you consider them unequal in some respects and they should then have specific special considerations/privelages over men.

 

 

bolded: they don't.

I must admit you have rendered me speechless. You mean we should all just disregard the law of the land if we don't like it because according to you laws don't apply to everyone somehow. Feel free to clarify.

edit- Unless you mean that law gets selectively applied and that people do not get equal treatment under the law. In which case I agree that it does occur far too often unfortunately.





 

 

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Daisuke72 on 19 August 2013

She deserved it lol



Zero999 on 19 August 2013
Branko2166 said:
Zero999 said:

bolded: they don't.

I must admit you have rendered me speechless. You mean we should all just disregard the law of the land if we don't like it because according to you laws don't apply to everyone somehow. Feel free to clarify.

edit- Unless you mean that law gets selectively applied and that people do not get equal treatment under the law. In which case I agree that it does occur far too often unfortunately.

bolded: that is exactly what I meant.

edit: for that and more is why there's only one thing we are all equal: death. who knows if this sad truth will change someday.



S.T.A.G.E. on 19 August 2013
Kasz216 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kasz216 said:


I just watched again, ok she tried to push him off of her friend not just stand in between. A guy held her friend back so the cop could continue the arrest after she got punched and was rest pressed against the car. Back to my point...why couldn't the cop just completely restrained her and just handcuffed her? 

I guess this argument all comes down to values, I dont believe a man should hit a woman. When I say this I am speaking primarily on offensive force, not primarily defense. If it comes down to it and a man is forced to them whatever happens, happens. 

And those women you claim can whip my ass, I do not hang out around particularily aggressive females. If a woman attacked me I am confident in my ability to restrain a person. Im athletic, 191 lbs and have been in fights before, yet I do not like to fight all together. Yes..I am very protective of women. I would rather court a woman than fight her.

It seems like you take offense at the claim there are women out there who could kick your ass.   The mere fact that you have to feel the need to state your weight and that you are "atheletic" more or less shows that.  That along with the menatlity above more or less makes the point for me.

You think you could restrain a trained woman UFC fighter?  Or is your arguement that you wouldn't ever hang around a trained UFC fighter... I mean if so... that's just sad. 

As for why he couldn't just restrain her... watch the video again.  If he just tries to restrain her, and she's able to fight him.  Nothing is stopping the other woman from stepping right up to her again.


The punch more or less insured he could secure her without worry of further resistance.  I'm not sure it's the best way to handle it... but it's not out of line.

 

Sorry for taking so long, I had to run a quick errand.


I do not take offense to hearing that a woman can beat me up, I am saying I believe I am prepared to take anyone who comes at me and threatens my life. If I've only fought men in my life and if a woman came at me should I not be able to have faith in myself to restain her the same way I have men larger than myself? Will I fall? Even the best man or woman does. I just so happen to have an affinity for a woman, and yes...I am very protective of them. The thought of fighting a woman is my last thought, which is why I said if my life is on the line then protect yourself against one by any means necessary. I am looking at things in terms of the way I was raised (by women) and biology.

Secondly, I stated that the cop was probably right for pursuing the woman, I am just worried about the way he handled it, not his cause for the arrest. 

As for the situation where you spoke to me about female fighters, yes I probably could get submitted or even punched by a female MMA fighter. As I said before, I am in talks to join up with a Damian Maia affiliated Jiu Jitsu school. I've met quite a few who have challenged me to sparring sessions but I've turned them down in jiu Jitsu. I admit it, I turned them down because I dont want to get too aggressive with them. 

Again, I think our argument is coming down to values and the extent of police force. In this instance we agree to disagree.  Regardless I have overall respect for you, despite the disagreement.  



blkfish92 on 19 August 2013

Deserved it, he handled it fine. Don't give me any crap about how you cannot hit a women, men and women are equal.



           

Kasz216 on 19 August 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kasz216 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kasz216 said:


I just watched again, ok she tried to push him off of her friend not just stand in between. A guy held her friend back so the cop could continue the arrest after she got punched and was rest pressed against the car. Back to my point...why couldn't the cop just completely restrained her and just handcuffed her? 

I guess this argument all comes down to values, I dont believe a man should hit a woman. When I say this I am speaking primarily on offensive force, not primarily defense. If it comes down to it and a man is forced to them whatever happens, happens. 

And those women you claim can whip my ass, I do not hang out around particularily aggressive females. If a woman attacked me I am confident in my ability to restrain a person. Im athletic, 191 lbs and have been in fights before, yet I do not like to fight all together. Yes..I am very protective of women. I would rather court a woman than fight her.

It seems like you take offense at the claim there are women out there who could kick your ass.   The mere fact that you have to feel the need to state your weight and that you are "atheletic" more or less shows that.  That along with the menatlity above more or less makes the point for me.

You think you could restrain a trained woman UFC fighter?  Or is your arguement that you wouldn't ever hang around a trained UFC fighter... I mean if so... that's just sad. 

As for why he couldn't just restrain her... watch the video again.  If he just tries to restrain her, and she's able to fight him.  Nothing is stopping the other woman from stepping right up to her again.


The punch more or less insured he could secure her without worry of further resistance.  I'm not sure it's the best way to handle it... but it's not out of line.

 

Sorry for taking so long, I had to run a quick errand.


I do not take offense to hearing that a woman can beat me up, I am saying I believe I am prepared to take anyone who comes at me and threatens my life. If I've only fought men in my life and if a woman came at me should I not be able to have faith in myself to restain her the same way I have men larger than myself? Will I fall? Even the best man or woman does. I just so happen to have an affinity for a woman, and yes...I am very protective of them. The thought of fighting a woman is my last thought, which is why I said if my life is on the line then protect yourself against one by any means necessary. I am looking at things in terms of the way I was raised (by women) and biology.

Secondly, I stated that the cop was probably right for pursuing the woman, I am just worried about the way he handled it, not his cause for the arrest. 

As for the situation where you spoke to me about female fighters, yes I probably could get submitted or even punched by a female MMA fighter. As I said before, I am in talks to join up with a Damian Maia affiliated Jiu Jitsu school. I've met quite a few who have challenged me to sparring sessions but I've turned them down in jiu Jitsu. I admit it, I turned them down because I dont want to get too aggressive with them. 

Again, I think our argument is coming down to values and the extent of police force. In this instance we agree to disagree.  Regardless I have overall respect for you, despite the disagreement.  


Which is fine... except your whole attitude and values are sexist

If that's how you feel and you don't see a problem with it.  Just embrace it.

 

Me,  I don't care... gender is irrelevent all that matters is relative strengths....

 

and when it comes to sparring?  Holy fuck, I mean I know you think your being all respective and protective and shit but in reality there is nothing more disrespetful and insulting.

I mean shit, we're talking about a woman who has trained to fight and who has quite a bit of self esteem and interest built in fighting and you are essentially saying you don't respect her as a fighter and don't think she's worth it, because she's a woman.

You may as well be Master Fnog from Futurama.

 

Leela: When I was growing up at the orphanarium, I got picked on a lot.

[Flashback. A teenage Leela and some teenage boys are dressed in martial arts uniforms.]

Leela: [voice-over] My only outlet was Arcturan Kung Fu.

[Teenage Leela takes on two guys and floors them. Her teacher, a green alien called Fnog watches.]

Fnog: Excellent. Bill, Keith, you will go to Junior Championships. Bill, congratulate Keith when he regains consciousness.

Leela: But, Master Fnog, I can beat these dorks with one eye closed.

Fnog: Perhaps. But there is more to winning than beating your opponent. You lack the will of the warrior.

Leela: What do you mean? Watch this!

[She kicks Bill in the stomach.]

Bill: [crying] Ow!

Fnog: No girl has the will of a warrior. You have the will of a housewife or, at best, the schoolmarm.

Leela: That's it. I'll take you on right now.

Fnog: Very well. But, you see, I have the will of the warrior. Therefore, the battle is already over. The winner? Me! [He laughs.] Rematch? You lose again! Had enough? I thought so!

[He and the other guys laugh.]


At the end of the day, if your willing to spar with a guy that will give you an equal or lesser challenge then a woman who you aren't willing to spar with because she's a woman...  That's sexist plane and simple.