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endimion on 28 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
tuscaniman99 said:
No they can't be trusted and neither can Sony who tries to hide facts.


Since when did Sony keep facts from us? They just didn't restrict us and kept making high quality exclusives. Microsoft and Sony are in no way equal when it comes to consumer thinking.

 

that's a matter of opinion to me Sony is one of the biggest hardware scam out there, right next to Apple and Bose and many others. They might not hide stuff, but "consumer thinking" give me a break. Their entire line is overpriced, I am not saying the quality is not there but beside their high-end devices, the quality/price ratio is deplorable and even in the top end customer products it is hardly justified in comparison to the competition. I actually think their PS is the only thing on the hardware side they do properly.



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Solid-Stark on 28 July 2013

Yes I trust them. They said you simply can't flip the switch, so...



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Solid-Stark on 28 July 2013
kowenicki said:
mutantclown said:
kowenicki said:
Deflection thread?

Anyhow... How many threads do we need with almost the exact same title?

Do people "trust" any corporations?

articles like this are exercises in self indulgent, pompous bullshit.

I hate gaming journalists with a passion. Idiots, the lot of them.


Only the ones you don't agree with.

No, pretty much all of them. I've said this many, many, many times. They are a clueless bunch. 

Yes...all of them.



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Gaming on: PS4 Pro, Switch, SNES Mini, Wii U, PC (i5-7400, GTX 1060)

0815user on 28 July 2013
endimion said:
0815user said:
Machiavellian said:
0815user said:
TimCliveroller said:
0815user said:
the always connected camera is the main reason why you should not trust them. not because of someone maybe hacking in and watching you, no. because of the possibility that the camera could be used to monitor how many people are watching/playing movies/games. and due to certain drm laws, which pretty much say that only the product buyer has the right to use it, the software might block you and your friends from watching/playing until you pay a fee for additional rights. call me paranoid but i think they might try it out when xbox-one becomes a success.

cuz phuck... nobody has camera phones, nobody has notebooks with cams, nobody knows your location. But please, trust the other guys... coz they don't have any 3d cameras. Don't  you realize... a company would be stupid not to patent this shit... everybody patents everything. And if you come to put it that way... it's not about you not trusting them, it's about them not trusting you. So this must be a trap. A 5GB trap.

if the camera is just ment as a gaming/control tool, why don't they let me unplug it? last time i checked the camera always has to be plugged in even if you do something with the xbox-one where you don't need the camera. there has to be a reason for that and so far i have nothing heard or read from microsoft that would explain how an always online camera would be superiour to a camera that i simply can unplug. oh by the way: the xbox-one camera is not built in like a phone or laptop camera.

You probably cannot unplug it because the cosole expects certain information form the camera.  Cheap way out for MS is not to code a lot of conditions if the camera is not hooked up.  Things like the voice turn on in standby, profile matching and controller recognition.  There is probably a slew of other things that the camera and audio does.  It also could be that MS just had this one sided view that the Kinect is X1 and people would prefer it on then off.  In the end, MS gave youthe ability to turn Kinect off in the options but the hardware boot up which is physical probably still need the connection and changing at this time would cost to much.

and that is exactly the problem. right now i simply cannot see why this certain information should contribute to media entertainment only. i maintain that there is a bigger plan behind the xbox-one camera but to execute it they first have to get us used to having a turned on camera in our rooms.

how could they pull that off since you can be offline ???
you DL your content you turn off your connection and you are good to go if you are worried about anything....
I don't see what could be the issue.... the only time you need to be online and stay online is if you play MP or you stream media....

and even if the patent would be enforced, why do people have to think it would be a bad thing. for all we know it would drive the cost down for single persons and have the same ceiling price....

because so far they have not said or proven why it is or will be a good thing and we pretty much all know what cameras, with the right software backing it up, can be used for. also keep in mind they wanted the xbox-one always online in the first place. the fact that they change that now with an day one patch does not mean everything is ok. they just removed one part of the puzzle but the other, imo more concerning one, still remains. only if they make the camera optional too i see no further problem.



endimion on 28 July 2013

it's funny how people are thinking lately. True evil companies are the exception, fucking with the customer is the exception. the only way a company can exist and keep growing is through satisfied customers, or with a monopoly of an essential good, otherwise they don't last. the truth always comes out. Especially with companies hiring thousands of people that are just as empowered with free will than you and me....
Best proof is actually what everybody is trying to use as an argument against... the NSA scandal is the most best example, anybody sane knows it is a tiny tiny fraction of people that are concerned not everyday people, and we can see how much damage it is causing to companies... something as ridiculous and evident as that (cause I didn't need the Snowden to know about it, it was quiet evident) is causing a mass uproar, imagine a second what would be the concequences if a lot of companies were engaging in illegal activities or behaving in an unsatisfying way... they would sign their own bankruptcy... there are laws people, you don't buy your way out of true real and big scandals you get sued and you pay the fine and lose your customers
the only one that can pull it of are non mass customer industrials or pharma/chemical groups like monsanto... and even them surf on the right side of the law...



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J_Allard on 28 July 2013

You can't trust MS.

Of course, you can't trust Sony, Nintendo, SEGA, EA, Activision, etc. You also cannot trust Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner, Apple, Walmart, Amazon. Really any big company.

How many here are enjoying the Playstation 3 console? To those ready to answer "me!!! i love it!!". What do you feel about these?

Rumble
OtherOS
5 active consoles
Backwards compatibility
Project $10
Dual HDMI
PS3 GMS
120 frames per second

I could go on and on. Yet some people seem to trust Sony ok. I think MS will be fine. And by that I mean that like any other big company looking to make money, they were not "trusted" by a large amount of sensible gamers in the first place.



KungKras on 28 July 2013

You can't trust Sony either.



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0815user on 28 July 2013
endimion said:
it's funny how people are thinking lately. True evil companies are the exception, fucking with the customer is the exception. the only way a company can exist and keep growing is through satisfied customers, or with a monopoly of an essential good, otherwise they don't last. the truth always comes out. Especially with companies hiring thousands of people that are just as empowered with free will than you and me....
Best proof is actually what everybody is trying to use as an argument against... the NSA scandal is the most best example, anybody sane knows it is a tiny tiny fraction of people that are concerned not everyday people, and we can see how much damage it is causing to companies... something as ridiculous and evident as that (cause I didn't need the Snowden to know about it, it was quiet evident) is causing a mass uproar, imagine a second what would be the concequences if a lot of companies were engaging in illegal activities or behaving in an unsatisfying way... they would sign their own bankruptcy... there are laws people, you don't buy your way out of true real and big scandals you get sued and you pay the fine and lose your customers
the only one that can pull it of are non mass customer industrials or pharma/chemical groups like monsanto... and even them surf on the right side of the law...

yet the world still goes to hell. looks like laws aren't perfect eh? 

just an example to prove my point even if it has nothing to do with the topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NETxzILPokw



Proclus on 28 July 2013

Palm le face.



Machiavellian on 29 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Arius Dion said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
tuscaniman99 said:
No they can't be trusted and neither can Sony who tries to hide facts.


Since when did Sony keep facts from us? They just didn't restrict us and kept making high quality exclusives. Microsoft and Sony are in no way equal when it comes to consumer thinking.


LoL. Unless of course you buy a game used and want to play online. You need to pay for an online pass right? Sony now has a pay wall for the PS4. 

Just explain to me how they are not equals when it comes to consumer thinking? I'm sincerely curious because I've no dog in this fight. 

Um....Sony already had PSN Plus up, they just added multiplayer to it. I already paid for it willingly. They dont cut you off from the world like Microsoft. I never minded the online pass either as long as I didnt get DRM paywall over it like MS had planned in the beginning which would take a cut out of what Gamestop makes per used game and give it to devs and MS.

So Sony instituted Online pass for their games and MS did not but you do not care.  Just because you like PS Plus now sony has put multiplayer behind the pay wall just like MS when Sony stated during the PS3 era they would not.  What I find is that people are willing to make concessions for the company they love.  What you are saying is that you like Sony, and you are willing to give them a much longer rope before you get upset about what they do.

As for what MS would have done with their online pay wall, nobody knows because it never got that far.  I remember the last thing they talked about when trading or reselling a game that MS would get no cut and it would be between the 2 parties that did it.