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phinch1 on 25 July 2013
Adinnieken said:
phinch1 said:
Adinnieken said:

What happens to the console race if Microsoft actually drops the price of the Xbox One to $400 without changing any features of the console itself.  In otherwords, no loss of Kinect, it still comes packed-in. 

Let's discuss the hypothetical, that today Microsoft has announced that the Xbox One will be priced at $400, and adjusted accordingly in other markets.  What do you think of this move?


Then it tells me that they were willing to have my arms off at $500

I don't understand this at all.


it means, if they can make a profit at $400, them selling it at $500 would be taking the mick.....



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Adinnieken on 25 July 2013
kupomogli said:
Adinnieken said:
kupomogli said:
Then Playstation fans will point out that the PS4 is still 50% more powerful and it's not coming out a year later.

Btw. The PS4 is more powerful and it's not coming out a year later.

Except it isn't.  Right now with the information available, the GPU is 50% more powerful, but there is no current performance metric that has established that the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbox One.  I'm not saying it isn't more powerful, nor am I saying how powerful it is, but there is no performance metric that states that it is 50% more powerful. 

The difference between the Xbox 360's GPU and the PS3's GPU wasn't that the Xbox 360's was 50% more powerful, but rather that the Xbox 360's had features that the PS3's didn't.  At first blush, as many did, they assumed the PS3's GPU was better than the Xbox 360's, but in reality that proved to be false.  Not saying that is necessarily the case this generation, but performance specs don't always mean that much.  I mean, you are talking nanoseconds for a performance increase, not seconds or minutes.  And in all honesty, it's only a performance increase if a developer uses those extra shaders to do the same work as what's being done on the Xbox 360.  If they don't.  If they offer greater fidelity for the Sony console, or use the same number of shaders on both, than there won't be a substantial performance increase.  Though, as suggested, you might see a better image on the PS4.

Shaders aren't necessarily about performance, they're more about fidelity.  If I increase the fidelity of the image the GPU is doing more work, not working more efficiently.  If I spread the same work the Xbox One does over more shaders, than I'm gaining performance but I likely won't gain fidelity.

It's not just GPU that's more powerful.  The GDDR5 is also three times as fast as the DDR3, so 300% and there's the processor which is roughly the same, so estimating that everything is still about 50% more powerful. 

The speed of the GPU isn't going to give a "marginal graphics boost."  That much power is going to either be the same graphics and a higher framerate or better graphics and the same framerate.  Atleast if developers don't push for console parity and don't use any of that power the PS4 has got. 

Please remove your misquote.  I never said "marginal graphics boost" and your implication that I did is false.

I outlined how the graphics fidelity could be boosted, and how the graphic performance could be boosted.  I never implied either was marginal.  There are offests to either, the more shaders you use, the better the fidelity of the image.  If you spread the work of 12 shaders across 18 shaders, you increase performance but likely won't have an improvement on fidelity.  It's pretty easy.



Weedlab on 25 July 2013

People have very short memories, so they'll forget the issues they had with MSFT in time (it is already happening), and with that price drop it should put MSFT in a better position. There are those who are slightly more interested in the software lineup for the XB1, but due to the price they have opted for the PS4 instead. I'm inclined to think some of these people would shift their stance if a price drop occurred before launch.



 

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Adinnieken on 25 July 2013
phinch1 said:
Adinnieken said:
phinch1 said:
Adinnieken said:

What happens to the console race if Microsoft actually drops the price of the Xbox One to $400 without changing any features of the console itself.  In otherwords, no loss of Kinect, it still comes packed-in. 

Let's discuss the hypothetical, that today Microsoft has announced that the Xbox One will be priced at $400, and adjusted accordingly in other markets.  What do you think of this move?


Then it tells me that they were willing to have my arms off at $500

I don't understand this at all.


it means, if they can make a profit at $400, them selling it at $500 would be taking the mick.....

They're selling it at a profit at $500, according to some sources.  Whether they are for sure or not is unknown.

If they sold it at $400, more than likely they would be selling it at a loss, otherwise I would have thought they would have been selling it at $400 to begin with.  A profit is a profit, doesn't matter if it's 1¢ or $1.  However, if I'm selling them for 1¢ profit, it'll take 100 of them before I make that $1 profit. 

Likewise, it has been suggested that Sony is either selling the PS4 at a profit, a slight profit, or no profit, depending on whose analysis you subscribe to.



DaRev on 25 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Its a good move. But then the "spy cam" rants will go up 1000% in frequency because haters will still need something negative to latch on, lol

This

Some gamers just love to hate, and would find some other insignificant thing to rant about or justify not buying an X1 around launch, but having every mind to do so eventually - most likely with a price cut.



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theprof00 on 25 July 2013

eh, playstation honchos said that they wouldn't be taking a major loss on ps4, implying that they WOULD be taking at least some kind of loss.
When you look at the specs, there's not a whole lot that's more expensive in the box, possibly 40-50$ more for the ram, better gpu/cpu, better bluray drive.
So if Sony is going to be losing in the range of 50-100$ per console, actually costing 450-500$, and the equal components are 50-100$ more than xb1, then that would mean that xb1 without the kinect 2 would be costing roughly 450-500$, meaning either losing 50 or breaking even.
It all depends how much kinect is costing them.
To make it relative, the kinect sdk, which includes one beta kinect and one full kinect, is 500$...so it's likely costing ms between 70-150$ per unit.



okr on 25 July 2013

A lot of PS fans would be very afraid.



ghettoglamour on 25 July 2013

I guess its going to be 99$ cheaper then.



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TheBlackNaruto on 25 July 2013

It would sell more than it would have at $500. And make more money.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 25 July 2013

Hypothetically, it would sell more. Problem is MS isn't willing to risk the fact that the Kinect 2.0 might not naturally catch on with the gamer and casuals the second time around without force. They are forcing the experience upon you because they must protect the investment.

It goes like this:

Essentially you can buy a PS4 and two games for around the cost of the Xbone by itself.