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endimion said:
wowowo hold it right there.... while I love the profile loading Kinect feature and think it is great step forward towards removing unnecessary steps into the gaming process and living you more time to whatever you want to do with your entertainment time... even if it is one second at a time....

where did you read that it will load profiles over XBL????? I can believe if you have the profile on the box it will work.... but I have a hard time believing it will load it through XBL....

that would some of the great amazing power of the cloud right there.... now I would even be blown away if it works just with the profiles of the people in your friend list.... that would be some bad ass trick right there.... but I'd still settle for a local load of existing profiles on the box....

Well, back several months ago Microsoft patented the feature.  It may have even been as far back as last Winter.  I can't remember exactly when.  Microsoft has also hinted at the same feature, as a part of the benefits of the Cloud, since the announcement.  With an Internet connected Xbox One, your profile is stored on the Cloud.  In Windows terms, it's a roaming profile.  There's still a local copy, but copies are maintained in both systems.  As a part of your profile is a Kinect profile.  Certainly your body shape, and facial features.  Maybe your voice pattern as well, but that wasn't part of the original patent.  There have been additional patents regarding voice patterns/identification, however so it could be included.       

Anyway, when any person approaches the Xbox One, the console attempts to log that person into the console.  If there is a local profile it'll use it, but if not it goes up to Xbox LIVE and searches based on your Kinect profile, pulling that profile down to sign in with.

I can attempt to search for the patent, I may actually have it in my favorites, but I don't have the opportunity to search at the moment.



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Machiavellian said:

Another interesting feature that seems to be standard is the facial mapping.  Before, games like Rainbow 6 head this tech using kinect 1.  It seems like MS is making this something standard with the hardware and now any game can do this.  Little features like this can be very interesting when the console makes it standard for all games.  One of the reason why so many games use voice with the kienct because MS made the API standard with the hardware so its easy to implement.  If this will be the case for the facial mapping then adventure games like GTA, PRGs and other games that could easily implement this feature would add that immersion and seperate Kinect 2.0 from other devices.

Personally Iwould love to be able to build a charcter in a game like Soul Calibur and put my face on it.

Facial mapping was available with the Xbox Vision Camera.  It was added, with 3D mapping,  into the Kinect's feature set as a part of the Kinect Fun Labs.

I still think Microsoft should have allowed Kinect to replace the Xbox Vision camera, but it doesn't. :(  I wanted really badly to play Totem Ball. 



deskpro2k3 said:

I guess that means you have to play Xbox One in a lighted room for the Kinect to see you. I wonder how close or far away you have to sit from the screen. Not really wowed by that feature, but I'm feeling neutral about it.

No, unlike Kinect, Kinect 2 uses a near IR Laser to determine depth.  This also illuminates the room allowing Kinect 2 to see in total darkness.  This has been demonstrated in the numerous Xbox One launch videos where Kinect 2's features were demonstrated to the press.



papamudd said:
So if i get banned from xbl i can Now brick my friends xb1 by grabbing the controller? Excellent!
Honestly the features like this sound awesome, but i do wonder what the load time is on it. If the profile is on the system itself id imagine it should be faster than manually changing the settings (which doesnt take that long really) and via online should be relatively fast as well. Overall the more i hear about kinect the more useful it sounds for gaming. I still have to say this though...
NSA

No, because that isn't how it works today.

If you get banned, your account is banned.  You can't sign in using that account.

Early on, when they were doing bans you could have a situation where your console was banned, but your account wasn't.  That's no longer the case.  Today consoles get banned if they have been compromised, and accounts get banned if they violate the EULA/TOS.



Zappykins said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I guess that means you have to play Xbox One in a lighted room for the Kinect to see you. I wonder how close or far away you have to sit from the screen. Not really wowed by that feature, but I'm feeling neutral about it.

Actually, the Kinect doesn't need any light to see you.  Start at 1:00 to wach just the part about it seeing in the dark.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi5kMNfgDS4

I think they said as close a 1m (3 feet) at least 12 feet away, but I think it can go more.


If anything seperate the Kinect 2.0 from its first gen and even the PSeye is the ability for Kinect 2.0 to see in the dark.  Kinect is not tied to light anymore besides for RGB data which was a pain sometimes with Kinect 2.0 and the PSeye.  It so happens I have both at home.  I got Kinect 1.0 for free from my company and I bought the PSeye a long time ago then bought the move controller to go with it.

Anyway, the lighting within my den is not great and there are multiple windows which causes all kinds of lighting issues during the day.  This wreak havoc on Kinect 1.0 and was even more of a pain with the PSeye.  

MS seem to have address this issue with the infraRed sensor while Sony has not. Sony sensor will still be regulated by the lighting within your if its going to attempt hands free type controls.



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Very, very , very cool features...I can live without, since I'll be the only one playing on my console(s), and on the very very very rare occasion I would need to reconfigure buttons for someone else, well, I will just do it like I have since the 80s.



Adinnieken said:
endimion said:
wowowo hold it right there.... while I love the profile loading Kinect feature and think it is great step forward towards removing unnecessary steps into the gaming process and living you more time to whatever you want to do with your entertainment time... even if it is one second at a time....

where did you read that it will load profiles over XBL????? I can believe if you have the profile on the box it will work.... but I have a hard time believing it will load it through XBL....

that would some of the great amazing power of the cloud right there.... now I would even be blown away if it works just with the profiles of the people in your friend list.... that would be some bad ass trick right there.... but I'd still settle for a local load of existing profiles on the box....

Well, back several months ago Microsoft patented the feature.  It may have even been as far back as last Winter.  I can't remember exactly when.  Microsoft has also hinted at the same feature, as a part of the benefits of the Cloud, since the announcement.  With an Internet connected Xbox One, your profile is stored on the Cloud.  In Windows terms, it's a roaming profile.  There's still a local copy, but copies are maintained in both systems.  As a part of your profile is a Kinect profile.  Certainly your body shape, and facial features.  Maybe your voice pattern as well, but that wasn't part of the original patent.  There have been additional patents regarding voice patterns/identification, however so it could be included.       

Anyway, when any person approaches the Xbox One, the console attempts to log that person into the console.  If there is a local profile it'll use it, but if not it goes up to Xbox LIVE and searches based on your Kinect profile, pulling that profile down to sign in with.

I can attempt to search for the patent, I may actually have it in my favorites, but I don't have the opportunity to search at the moment.

Hmm ok I still have a hard time believing you won't have at least to input one time your gamertag.... cause just scaning you or your face and just then go through every single profile stored in the cloud with just that data as a referencial seems like something that would need a lot of time....... I'm a tech enthousiast and can understand most technical talk when it's laid out to me.... but I have no idea if that can be done efficiently (meaning it would take seconds for the XB to ID me and load data over the cloud)
crosscomparing raw shape data to milions of profiles how long would it take???
now maybe it goes like that....

-Kinect 2 scans
-checks against local profile (no match)
-prompts you to speak out your name
-then checks for your profile on the cloud and compare data to what it understood and scanned...

that would be more efficient and fast I suppose....

then again I might be completely underestimating the power of the cloud and stuff might be doable in couple seconds just of raw body/facial shape data...



endimion said:

Hmm ok I still have a hard time believing you won't have at least to input one time your gamertag.... cause just scaning you or your face and just then go through every single profile stored in the cloud with just that data as a referencial seems like something that would need a lot of time....... I'm a tech enthousiast and can understand most technical talk when it's laid out to me.... but I have no idea if that can be done efficiently (meaning it would take seconds for the XB to ID me and load data over the cloud)
crosscomparing raw shape data to milions of profiles how long would it take???
now maybe it goes like that....

-Kinect 2 scans
-checks against local profile (no match)
-prompts you to speak out your name
-then checks for your profile on the cloud and compare data to what it understood and scanned...

that would be more efficient and fast I suppose....

then again I might be completely underestimating the power of the cloud and stuff might be doable in couple seconds just of raw body/facial shape data...

I could be forgetting a step, however it doesn't have to search amongst millions of users.  Logically it would search amongst your friends before it ever attempted to go and find beyond that group. 



endimion said:

Yeah but his profile is on your XB360.... what I'm saying is if I come to your house and play on your XB360 today or XB1 in a few months.... I'm not sure it would fetch my profile (actually I'm sure it doesn't with the 360) over the internet and XBL..... now I'm sure it is technically possible..... but that would be quite insane to think that azure/orlean cloud server could process information your kinect 2 sends and fetch a profile over millions of other recorded profiles all over the world.....
if it can and will do that.... people can tell me what ever they want against the power of the cloud and gaming.... I will be impressed no matter what and will be sold for the long run....
if I can go to anybody's place who has an XB1 and XBL.... grab a controller and within sconds have my profile downloaded and all without me doing anything.... that would be freaking impressive.... you imagine what that could mean for the future ???


No more need for credit cards, IDs, passeport, keys and lobby desk for hotels etc.... you can be recognised by a freaking camera all over the world... you add a couple checks on top such as print scanner like you use a signature on a check today.... and I wont need a wallet anymore or  keys....
heck I go in vaccation no need for a welcome desk I go straight to my room it bills me and all but on top of that when I arrive it knows already my habbits sets up the AC to my taste... talks back to me to tell me what would be nice to check out around here sets up the right mini bar drinks to be put in ... etc.... and all that for really cheap when you see how much palace hotels today invest to have data base on their big customers....

That does sound cool - like your very own private valet that sets everything the way you like it.  It could even shop for you and have the things you like delivered.  Everyone would be treated like a rich celebrity.

For my peace of mind.  I would like to still have an authentication of some kind.  Like a password to verify that it is actually me, and not someone who looks nearly identical.  Plus there is the thing of identical twins. I am not sure if Kinect 2.0 has the resolution to tell them apart.

And other have pointed out Microsoft was awarded this patent.  So it might be coming. 

But speaking of the future, have you seen this video? 



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

Zappykins said:
endimion said:
 

Yeah but his profile is on your XB360.... what I'm saying is if I come to your house and play on your XB360 today or XB1 in a few months.... I'm not sure it would fetch my profile (actually I'm sure it doesn't with the 360) over the internet and XBL..... now I'm sure it is technically possible..... but that would be quite insane to think that azure/orlean cloud server could process information your kinect 2 sends and fetch a profile over millions of other recorded profiles all over the world.....
if it can and will do that.... people can tell me what ever they want against the power of the cloud and gaming.... I will be impressed no matter what and will be sold for the long run....
if I can go to anybody's place who has an XB1 and XBL.... grab a controller and within sconds have my profile downloaded and all without me doing anything.... that would be freaking impressive.... you imagine what that could mean for the future ???


No more need for credit cards, IDs, passeport, keys and lobby desk for hotels etc.... you can be recognised by a freaking camera all over the world... you add a couple checks on top such as print scanner like you use a signature on a check today.... and I wont need a wallet anymore or  keys....
heck I go in vaccation no need for a welcome desk I go straight to my room it bills me and all but on top of that when I arrive it knows already my habbits sets up the AC to my taste... talks back to me to tell me what would be nice to check out around here sets up the right mini bar drinks to be put in ... etc.... and all that for really cheap when you see how much palace hotels today invest to have data base on their big customers....

That does sound cool - like your very own private valet that sets everything the way you like it.  It could even shop for you and have the things you like delivered.  Everyone would be treated like a rich celebrity.

For my peace of mind.  I would like to still have an authentication of some kind.  Like a password to verify that it is actually me, and not someone who looks nearly identical.  Plus there is the thing of identical twins. I am not sure if Kinect 2.0 has the resolution to tell them apart.

And other have pointed out Microsoft was awarded this patent.  So it might be coming. 

But speaking of the future, have you seen this video? 


yeah that's i threw in a finger print scan for authentification. but it could be a retinal scan to be on the safe side.

can't wait to see kinect 2 in action.