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Is the Nintendo WiiU truely next generation?

Yes of course, ugh we been over this 146 62.39%
 
I dont Care! Im just here to play video games 35 14.96%
 
No! the wiiu is not next ... 53 22.65%
 
Total:234

It's a next-gen console in terms of time, but the fact that you even need to post this suggests that Nintendo have failed to explain why it's a next-gen console in other respects.

I'm not talking solely in terms of power, if Nintendo really wanted to go that route they're going to get trounced by PS4 and X1. The controller/tablet is what they needed to demonstrate and push as a next gen feature, but so far they've failed to demonstrate any significant advantages of the tablet controller in games. Nintendo fans will buy it for Nintendo games but the wider consumer hasn't been convinced yet.



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What BasilZ said, article is bloody old... ^^,



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Well gen isn't really power wise so it's next gen, no matter how weak it is compared to other consoles. If you have to debate that it's next gen, then something went wrong.

edit:your source is seriously old though.



It honestly doesn't bother me that some people say that, like beast-n-beauty-queen's thread. Who cares?



anthony64641 said:

Miguel_Zorro said:



anthony64641 said:



2. The Specs of the Wii U are better than the PS3, 360, Wii, and every other home console to date.

While not the biggest leap in specs, the Wii U is stronger than the PS3 and 360. The Wii U has more ram, can run games in 1080p/60 FPS, and already has games that look just as good or better than their PS3/360 counterparts, Need for speed most wanted and Call of Duty Black Ops 2 are all good examples of this. The Wii U Zelda Demo looked better than a majority of the PS3 and 360 games out in the market and it wasn’t even finished. As developers get a hang of the system the graphics will get better and better. A lot of gamers feel the next generation is going to be just like this generation with the Wii being vastly underpowered. The PS3 and 360 were both roughly 20x more powerful than the PS2 and Xbox 1. Does anybody really think the PS4 and 720 are going to be 20x more powerful than the PS3 and 360? Cause that’s the kind of power those systems need to blow the Wii U out of the water, relative to last generation at at least. Microsoft is more likely to go on the cheaper side because of Kinect and Sony doesn’t want a repeat of the PS3 launch with a $600 price tag. However, I do feel Sony will have the strongest system next generation.




You know the specs for the Xbox One and the PS4 are already public, right?
If the WiiU was truly next generation, you wouldn't have to create threads to try to convince people that it's a next generation console.
Look at the comparison.  It's not even close. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_video_game_consoles_(eighth_generation)
A few facts...
The system bandwidth of the PS4 is 176 GB/s.  For the XBoxOne, it's 68.3 GB/s.  For the WiiU/PS3/360, it's 12.8 GB/s, 22.4 GB/s, and 21.6 GB/s
RAM - PS4/XBox One/Wii U/PS3/360 = 8GB GDDR5, 8GB DDR3, 2GB DDR3,512MB combination, 512MB GDDR3 +10MB EDRAM. The absolute gap between the PS4 and the WiiU is larger than the gap between the WiiU and the PS3.  On a ratio basis, they're the same at 4x.
I could go on, but it's not about the specs for the Wii U.  People who want to play Nintendo franchised will buy it anyways.  But from a technology perspective, it's halfway between the PS3/360 and the PS4/X1.



LOL aww look somebody can read, how nice xD. yea ok on paper your right. but do you even know how the processors even work? Do you even know how much ram is available for games?? first off...Mmm i really dont feel like giving you a tech lesson but ok think about this. back in gen 6 remember the fantastic ps2? it was the WEAKEST console in the generation lol comparing the graphics to the gamecube was laughable at how advanced the GC was compared to it but hey guess who WON that generation?


Not really... the GC was more powerfull but not PS4/WiiU more powrfull. The PS4 and X1 simply humiliates the WiiU graphically.



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Still not a next-gen console.

GODAMNIT look at the sales, at the eveloper comments, at the analyst/investors comments....

And it's not because it's Nintendo, it's because Nintendo completely failed their product, prediction and marketing.

Continue to be mindless fanboy sheeps and live in a lie where the Wii U is great and is going to take off...you'll cry and deny what you said in just a year or two.

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This poor sales of the WiiU is what would of happened to the Wii if it's gimmick hadn't taken off with the casuals, the fact that it did and did so despite it's hardware specs unfortunately led Nintendo to chase the golden goose again and this went in to the decisions that lead to the WiiU's underpowered hardware and gimmick controller...except this time round the gimmick didn't take off and now the WiiU is left in a bad position with both hardware and 3rd party software.

So is the WiiU a nex-gen console?, yes it is clearly an 8th generation machine, and yes the WiiU is definitely a more power console than the Wii, however, when you zoom out and look at what's on the market the WiiU doesn't fair so well, it's specs are just shy over the PS3/360 if not only for it's new GPU architeture but also double the ram, but falls significantly short of bridging any gap between it's self and the PS4/Xbox one. This difference and the simple fact that neither Nintendo games or 3rd party have been able to distinctively show the difference leads to gamers labeling it a last gent console.

As for the gap, it's significance can not be ignored, and just like the hardware gap of the Wii, the WiiU will again miss out on most newer next-gen games. I know most will disregard and state something on the lines of diminishing returns, but lets face reality, both the XBOX one and PS4 at a base minimum will use 5GB of ram for games while the WiiU only has 1GB available, then lets not forget that both the PS4 and Xbox one have more capable GPU's ranging between from 1.2 - 1.8TF and running on the more efficient architecture versus the WiiU GPU estimated at 176-352GF running on less efficient architecture. With just these two aspects alone developers may face the problem that trying to port the game down may be TOO much work for too little sales, in fact we may see games which are different to the main PS4/Xbox one game being made on the WiIU, again just like the Wii situation.

Other then the underpowered specs of the WiiU when compared to the PS4/Xbox one, Nintendo hasn't capabilitiesed on their 1 year lead, in fact Nintnedo seems lost with the WiiU, on one hand you can do the dual screen games like ZombieU and asynchronous gameplay, but on the other hand you can do off screen play....the problem is... these two features fundamental conflict with each other and you can only do one. They're both cool but one offers unique gameplay while the other offers the ability to play their game either on the big screen or on the tablet if the big TV is being used.

So it comes down to, do you want the unique dual screen set up for games, or do you want off screen gaming?
Nintendo hasn't decided and now they struggle to advertise exactly what the WiiU IS and what exactly it OFFERS when compared to the competition,Nintendo now have to clearly inform consumers that not ALL games can be played off screen using the tablet, as well as informing consumers which games offer the dual screen uniqueness....frankly it's a mess for marketing.

The WiiU boils down to a machine for the Nintendo hardcore, it won't be the first console of choice for the mass of core gamers, rather it will be relegated to the secondary console if that.

All I can say is, Iwata better work hard on changing the WiiU's situation cuz competition is good, otherwise, he may be forced to resign by the board....investors don't like when the company is run by an incompetent fools, or simply ones that keeps making the wrong calls.

anyways, just my 2 cents.



Reading the article to the fullest, it's quite old... and by now, irrelevant... as is most of the pic above it. Move along.



Miguel_Zorro said:
MohammadBadir said:

who cares?, it released 6 years after it's predeccesor, it has a great line-up ahead of it, is the cheapest of the 3, and most importantly, has free online.

that's enough for me

Who cares?  I'm not sure.  It's only Nintendo people who seem to be bringing this up at this point.  It's unclear who they're trying to convince.


Actually, I believe this topic is a direct response to another topic posted a couple days ago about the Wii U not being a next gen console. Hence why it begins with "RE:"



If next gen is defined as something that, once you've experienced it it's hard to go back, then the Wii U based on its interface alone is next gen. Navigating menus, browsing online using the touch screen, going straight to the net while in game. It's all those little things that I miss when using my Xbox or PS3. Now that I've had it, it feels wrong not to.