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No need to pay more, you can actually make your own 2d glasses in case you go to watch a 3d movie with someone else. You'll just need two pairs of 3d glasses and switch the polarized filters on them so that you have two pairs of glasses: one with two polarized filters for the left eye and one with two right eye filters.



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ChristianTheAtheist said:
No need to pay more, you can actually make your own 2d glasses in case you go to watch a 3d movie with someone else. You'll just need two pairs of 3d glasses and switch the polarized filters on them so that you have two pairs of glasses: one with two polarized filters for the left eye and one with two right eye filters.


Yeah but it still blows though. Slightest move of your head to the side and things become blurry, same issues with light and focus as 3D movies.

Best thing IMO is to avoid 3D completely and find those awesome 2D movies playing in AVX theaters.



sethnintendo said:
Go Redbox and Netflix (if you are in USA). I haven't seen a movie in the theaters since a Bond movie (not Skyfall, saw that with Redbox). Not even sure why I even went to the movie theater for it... Movie theaters are overpriced and a dying breed.

I highly disagree. Watching a movie at a theater is a much better experience for me then watching it on my tiny (in comparison) TV and sound coming through the crappy TV speakers. Movie theaters are actually starting to do better compared to past years as well. Most people simply cannot watch films at even remotely theater level quality and a lot of the appeal lies in the whole "going out for the night" appeal (much like restaurants). On top of all that you get to see highly anticipated movies months in advance.

As for the price, well, I think that's coming down actually. Every local theater (even nice one's like AMC) have $5 showings during the day, $7.50 showings at night, and $10 showings on weekends. It's really not a terrible price considering.

 

As for the topic of 3D, I can safely say that I strongly dislike it. Only ever went to one movie with it and I never want to go again. I also would be willing to pay more to watch normal films than 3D one's.



SvennoJ said:
Kaizar said:

2012 had like 601 movies with up to 45 of them having a 3D version.

Basically less then 1/12 of those movies where in 3D with a cheaper 2D alternative version to pay for, but somehow the 3D movie screenings of movies that make up less then 10% of all movies made up 40% to 60% of profits in theaters when they only charge $1 to $3 more then a 2D movie screening cost.

So nice way to doge reality like your source did.

Posting your source for more people to crunch the numbers that all your links intentionally ignore:

http://www.theloop.ca/showbiz/movies/news/article/-/a/2230761/3D-movies-are-cooler-in-China

 

Where do you make the leap to 70% like 3D movies? Any figures to back that up? Plus what is the percentage that go to 3D screenings yet don't really care for it, for reasons that the 2D version is sold out / not available at that time, or wanting to see it in IMAX. (Are there any 2D IMAX showings for 3D movies?)

The argument that 10% of movies make up 40% to 60% of revenues doesn't mean much, that has always been the case with big blockbusters. Needing a 3D surcharge to keep that status quo is actually a worrying trend.

But if you see Pacific Rim in 3D you will see it makes the screen look soo much more bigger. So his own 3D movie this July 12 2013 contradicts his own statement. Plus my experience of 3D is that it makes that screen waaay bigger like: Castlevania Lords of Shadow Mirror of Fate & Lego City Undercover the chase begins & Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D. And the 3D effect keeps making the screen look even way more bigger every 6 to 8 months with more newer games always having more EXTREMELY insane 3D, which is just awesome.

 

Everyone who sees Pacific Rim 3D & Luigi's Mansion Dark moon & Castlevania mirror of fate & Lego City Undercover Prequel & Donkey Kong Country Returns 3D agrees.

Well I'm not part of the everyone you're referring too, and I'm sure there are more like me. It does not make the screen bigger, it makes me aware of the screen. The action is contained in a box or behind a window with fuzzy edges and I'm constantly reminded that it's not real. It's a cool effect but it stands in the way of me connecting with the movie.
In 2D I get lost inside the movie, the movie world becomes a 3D representation inside my head without boundaries or limited to a fixed scale and it allows me to freely move around the scene. 

Or to try another analogy, stereoscopic 3D forces me into the driver's seat or a fast moving car. Good for immersion, great for games, however it forces you to pay attention to the 'road' all the time. While 2D is more like watching the scenery scroll by as a passenger, free to let your eyes wander around and get lost in the landscape.

2D makes it easier to emotionally connect with the characters, 3D lessens the connection.

3D is not the same as going from B&W to color. Color is directly tied to emotions, color grading is a great way to emotionally enhance a scene ot set the mood. 3D isn't enhancing anything for me. I don't see the world press photo go nuts for 3D.


Except most people can still see the 2D version of movie with no problem if they wanted too. There's only a $1 to $3 surcharge on 3D movies, and that will go away later this year or next year, when they raise the price of 2D Movies and decrease the price of 3D movies. The surcharge was really to make up for the money spent on tons of 3D glasses that they still keep getting more of, because that's what they paid for, but now they have paid off the glasses and they are not recieving as big of shipment of more 3D glasses every year because they don't need so many new ones anymore, so now the prices of 3D movies will be decrease to the same price as 2D Movies.

When I use to go see a 2D movie in theaters, the screen was never big enough and I would always notice everything around the outside of the screen, but when I see 3D movies in theaters I only notice the entire screen and nothing beyond it, because the screen has become bigger in view thanks to the 3D effect. What I always hate about 2D movies in theater is that the screen is too small, but 3D movies make the screen as big as I want it.

When I go see a 3D movies I don't go to be wowed, I just sit back and watch it like a 2D movie. The difference is that I don't see anything outside of the screen and the live-action movie looks as solid as it feels. The problem with 2D is you always notice everything much beyond the screen and 2D adds 10 pounds to each person playing a fictional character in the movie.

And 2D movies are never like watching a scenery scroll, because I already see the entire image all at once plus it's surroundings beyond the screen, which leaves nothing left for me to explore. With 3D movies I feel like I'm free to let my eyes wander around to enjoy the landscape like a forest and carnage and a futuristic world and so fort.

2D & 3D movies have no difference in emotionally connecting with characters (I just saw Man of Steel in IMAX 3D just over 7 days ago and I felt sorry for Superman and I felt happy for him when he was happy putting on the suit for the first time and I felt sorry for him again when he killed Zod. I just fully felt for superman in the enitre movie, and the 3D effect didnt change anything.In World War Z in XTREME 3D which is IMAX subsitute, I felt more frighten in the scenario when Brad Pitt had to sneak around 80 zombies to try to get diseases because the movie looked as solid as it feels with the rooms and everything. So 3D doesn't have any less character connection then 2D).

Color doesn't tie anything to emotions, I just saw "Rise of Cthulhu" (or whatever it's called), which is a 2005 B&W silent movie, and the scenes did just as much to set the mood as any color movie with audio.

If we can add audio to movies, and then add color to movies, then why not 3D. Its no different then what color has seen in the 1960's Batman series (live-action) & all other color movies & shows at that time. A lot of people can say that color takes away from Batman (starring Adam West) and that it takes away from the emotional experience and so fort.

 

@people who claim they like animation in 3D

 If people here really like seeing animation in 3D, then what's stopping them from buying the Nintendo 3DS or 3DS XL to see 160Mtriangle/s graphics in 3D? And what's stopping you from buying a 3D TV to convert 2D into 3D to play all GameCube & PS3 & Wii & 360 & Wii U & PS4 & ONE games in 3D?



Kaizar said:

It's obvious we have completely opposite experiences with 3D.
I just hope it's not becoming the norm as I have already tried to explain numerous times that 3D limits artistic expression, the way scenes can be composed/framed and fast editting between scenes. Watching a 3D movie in 2D still carries all these restrictions.

Anyway enjoy it while it lasts, at least the surcharge and ease of digital projection is keeping 3D alive longer then it usually does.
I'm looking forward to 4k mastering to finally get a match and even an upgrade to the old 35mm standard.



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Kaizar said:


2012 had like 601 movies with up to 45 of them having a 3D version.

Basically less then 1/12 of those movies where in 3D with a cheaper 2D alternative version to pay for, but somehow the 3D movie screenings of movies that make up less then 10% of all movies made up 40% to 60% of profits in theaters when they only charge $1 to $3 more then a 2D movie screening cost.

So nice way to doge reality like your source did.

Posting your source for more people to crunch the numbers that all your links intentionally ignore:

http://www.theloop.ca/showbiz/movies/news/article/-/a/2230761/3D-movies-are-cooler-in-China

 

So clearly in 2013, more then 70% of Americans right now, currently like 3D movies.

$1-$3 more??  I don't know what theaters you are referring to.  But, the AMC theaters in my area charge $10.25 for 2D, $16 for 3D, and $18 for IMAX 3D.  That's more of $6-$8 difference.  When you start multiplying that out, of course they are going to account for higher dollar amounts despite being only a small percentage of overall ticket sales!



SvennoJ said:
Kaizar said:
 

It's obvious we have completely opposite experiences with 3D.
I just hope it's not becoming the norm as I have already tried to explain numerous times that 3D limits artistic expression, the way scenes can be composed/framed and fast editting between scenes. Watching a 3D movie in 2D still carries all these restrictions.

Anyway enjoy it while it lasts, at least the surcharge and ease of digital projection is keeping 3D alive longer then it usually does.
I'm looking forward to 4k mastering to finally get a match and even an upgrade to the old 35mm standard.


Almost every 4K HD TV is a glasses-free 3D TV.

Anyways I hear you are ask for the first 1 to 3 seconds if you want to watch the 3D content in 3D and if you don't respond before it is gone, it will show the 3D in 2D for all 3D TVs & 3D Blu-Ray players, plus you can respond no as well.

Plus you will always have the 2D option in theaters that continues to be play the last few weeks when they no longer show the 3D version, so it has always been like there is 0% 3D movies in theaters because everyone can see the 2D version instead, but 3D screenings for less then 10% of movies will always make up more then 40% of the box office totals because of people who see it as solid as it feels.

This year has around 70 3D movie premieres, and 2014 has around 100 3D movies.

But it seems that independence 2 has been push back to 2015, so I guess the 3D re-release of the first one will be in 2014.

Anyways with 100% of movies being shown in 2D and less then 10% of 2012 movies also being shown in 3D while the 3D screening themselves make up 40% to 60% of box office totals, and with 3D TVs being as common as color TVs became, and with everything electronic getting cheaper with every single year that goes by, and with sales of 2D TVs on a dramatic decline & 3D TVs on a year-on-year increase, it seems 3D is here to stay. Clearly more then most foreigners love 3D and clearly the majority of Americans like 3D.

So if 3D becomes the norm, then just look at it this way:

You will automatically see 3D content in 2D if you don't respond, and you can turn it off on computers & Handheld Consoles that actually get sold (Nintendo 3DS) & so fort.

So 3D becoming the norm doesn't change your life style at all.

But I would suggest you someday see The Great Gatsby in 3D.



I actually enjoy some good 3D effects in movies and liked games on PS3 in 3D although unfortunately my TV suffers bad from Ghosting so I have to limit the level of the depth to being low.
But I only know 3 people who like 3D it's me, my dad and my uncle, pretty much every other person I know and talked about stereoscopic 3D either dislikes it or never goes to 3D movies cause they hate it that much for various reasons.



So it is happening...PS4 preorder.

Greatness Awaits!

Mandalore76 said:
Kaizar said:


2012 had like 601 movies with up to 45 of them having a 3D version.

Basically less then 1/12 of those movies where in 3D with a cheaper 2D alternative version to pay for, but somehow the 3D movie screenings of movies that make up less then 10% of all movies made up 40% to 60% of profits in theaters when they only charge $1 to $3 more then a 2D movie screening cost.

So nice way to doge reality like your source did.

Posting your source for more people to crunch the numbers that all your links intentionally ignore:

http://www.theloop.ca/showbiz/movies/news/article/-/a/2230761/3D-movies-are-cooler-in-China

 

So clearly in 2013, more then 70% of Americans right now, currently like 3D movies.

$1-$3 more??  I don't know what theaters you are referring to.  But, the AMC theaters in my area charge $10.25 for 2D, $16 for 3D, and $18 for IMAX 3D.  That's more of $6-$8 difference.  When you start multiplying that out, of course they are going to account for higher dollar amounts despite being only a small percentage of overall ticket sales!

That's brutal man.

Later this year or during next year they are going to cut the 3D ticket price to equal 2D ticket price because they already took care of their 3D glasses cost and more some. But they also said they are going to increase 2D ticket prices again.

I had in my city a Cineplex Odion (4) & Mann crtiterian 6 & AMC century 7, but then Loews bought Cineplex and then AMC Bought Loews Cineplex Odion, and then AMC bought the local Mann theater and now they have closed it or renovating it (I hope renovation to have more cinemas).

Anyways before 6 pm on weekdays is a mantinee discount, but I travel a little further to go to Rave Theaters where they don't charge that much more, plus they have Mantinee discounts (before 6 pm discounts) 7 days a week, and they do student discounts if you have a student ID (college ID) 7 days a week. My several AMC theaters on the same block only do student discounts on Thursdays.

I basically shave my facial hair so they will ask me for a student ID (which is where I got the idea to use my old college ID), and then I show my old college ID which still looks brand new, and I go before 6 pm for the mantinee discount, so I basically pay $6.00¢ for 3D & $6.50¢ for IMAX subsitute, but it use to be $4.75¢ for 3D & $5.25¢ for XTREME and then later became $5.25¢ for 3D & $5.75¢ for XTREME (IMAX double ganger LOL), and all of this since May 2012.

Im curious to see how sales go, when they drop the price of 3D movies to be the same as 2D movies.

I don't know how much my AMC charges for 3D nor IMAX.



Kaizar said:
 

Almost every 4K HD TV is a glasses-free 3D TV.

Anyways I hear you are ask for the first 1 to 3 seconds if you want to watch the 3D content in 3D and if you don't respond before it is gone, it will show the 3D in 2D for all 3D TVs & 3D Blu-Ray players, plus you can respond no as well.

Plus you will always have the 2D option in theaters that continues to be play the last few weeks when they no longer show the 3D version, so it has always been like there is 0% 3D movies in theaters because everyone can see the 2D version instead, but 3D screenings for less then 10% of movies will always make up more then 40% of the box office totals because of people who see it as solid as it feels.

This year has around 70 3D movie premieres, and 2014 has around 100 3D movies.

But it seems that independence 2 has been push back to 2015, so I guess the 3D re-release of the first one will be in 2014.

Anyways with 100% of movies being shown in 2D and less then 10% of 2012 movies also being shown in 3D while the 3D screening themselves make up 40% to 60% of box office totals, and with 3D TVs being as common as color TVs became, and with everything electronic getting cheaper with every single year that goes by, and with sales of 2D TVs on a dramatic decline & 3D TVs on a year-on-year increase, it seems 3D is here to stay. Clearly more then most foreigners love 3D and clearly the majority of Americans like 3D.

So if 3D becomes the norm, then just look at it this way:

You will automatically see 3D content in 2D if you don't respond, and you can turn it off on computers & Handheld Consoles that actually get sold (Nintendo 3DS) & so fort.

So 3D becoming the norm doesn't change your life style at all.

But I would suggest you someday see The Great Gatsby in 3D.

You keep repeating the same things over and over.
I find 3D a fascinating subject so I wanted to post 2 interesting articles about the differences between 2D and 3D viewing.

The first one shows that movies made for 3D should be made differently then made for 2D, and consequently 3D becoming the norm will hurt the 2D experience, and vice versa post process converting 2D to 3D makes bad 3D.

http://3dperfection.blogspot.ca/p/psychology-of-3d.html

Some excerpts:

THE PROBLEM

My biggest objective to the current use of 3D is that movie-makers are still thinking in 2D and still filming using 2D techniques. What they end up with is a 2D movie + depth.

THE SOLUTION

For a 3D movie to work, it has to be conceived from start to finish with 3D in mind. 3D is such a powerful tool (as much as colour, sound or even visiual perception itself) that I feel a whole new approach to movie-making is needed.

1) The 3D depth must be deep, immersive and consistent throughout the movie
2) Every single shot needs to be conceived with 3D in mind with the idea that the audience is the camera and a part of the environment.
3) The 3D camera should be thought of as an invisible character moving within the movie. Therefore it is more important than ever that the camera is seen to be the audience's eyes.
4) The composition of each shot is more important in 3D and there should be an obvious sense of background, middle and foreground so that we remain "within" the movie.
5) Fast MTV style editing has no place in a 3D movie but may be used fleetingly for effect e.g. for flashbacks or if a character is watching a 2D monitor or similar etc.
6) A slow tracking camera that moves within the world, especially going down tunnels or roads would work well in 3D and should be used to good effect.
7)The camera should always make us feel a part of the world, so positioning of the camera and its movement is crucial to make us always feel immersed.
8) The 3D depth must never change. Sudden changes of 3D depth will draw the audience out of the movie. A constant 3D depth will allow the audience to settle within the 3D world and stay within that space throughout the duration of the movie.

CONCLUSION

For 3D movies to be successful in the future, a whole new approach to both making and viewing a 3D movie is needed. For this reason, personally I don't want all future movies to be shot in 3D because 2D movies still have their place and importance. No, instead, 3D movies should be made sparingly and with a totally different approach to that of making a 2D movie. I believe that if a 3D movie is done well and gives the audience a real sense of being immersed in the environment, the audience will be willing to sacrifice certain elements that they are used to in 2D movies...i.e. fast editing between scenes. When making a 2D movie, the 3D element can't just be "added on" as an afterthought, it should be as important an element as the storyline and characters because essentially the audience becomes the 3D camera and we become an invisible character sharing the onscreen space of the world that we are watching. A whole new approach is needed for this to work.



The next one is from the founder of Legend3D, inventor of digital colorization and responsible for many 2D to stereographic 3D conversions. It is fairly technical, very interesting too.

http://bsandrew.blogspot.ca/2012/02/3d-movies-and-primal-brain.html

Conclusion

We know that our highly evolved frontal cortex mediates cognitive functions that normally inhibits or controls the amygdala and consequently evoked emotions.  I contend that our brain’s reaction to a 2D movie is more of a top down cognitive process involving the higher order frontal cortex.  The greater our suspension of disbelief, the more these higher cognitive functions come into play, releasing emotions mediated by the lower order amygdala.  On the other hand, in a 3D movie, emotionally packed visual information more directly affects these lower order emotional areas of the brain in a bottom up fashion, evoking a more primal subconscious response.

I can't say I agree with his further conclusions that 3D heightens the story telling. Maybe that's because of focus / convergence, edge problems, and everything feeling hollow getting in he way. People don't all experience things the same, for some the top down process might work more strongly, and for others the bottom up process.

Anyway there is no reason for the 2D art form to go extinct, or take a minority role, ever.
For now 3D still has too many downsides, for the one upside, feeling you are part of the scene in correctly done 3D.