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SlayerRondo said:
the2real4mafol said:
SlayerRondo said:
the2real4mafol said:
This is good but people will find there way to unhealthy food somehow. Unhealthy food should be more expensive than healthy food though, which could help with people's health

And what if people want to eat unhealthy food more than to be healthy?

If you tax unhealthy food why not tax sedentary activities? A 30% book tax to encourage exercise? 

I saddens me how little respect there is for individual liberty nowdays.

This will unevenly effect the poor as the rich can just choose more expensive food if they want it more healthy, but the poor simply have to choose food that taste worse if they can't afford unhealthy food that taxing it will do.

People need to start taking care of themselves better rather than relying on government taking away all the bad choices they can make.

I guess people should stop being so lazy and educate themselves. There is a lot we can do ourselves, you are right there but most people think it's inconvienient but if they choose the healthier stuff and put more effort in now they would reap the benefits in health when they get older. I mean what's stopping us from cooking from scratch or even growing our own food? Absolutely nothing. It's cheaper, tastes better and isn't full of pesticides or any other shit. We need to change our mindset on stuff like food. 

I just though a "fat tax" would help but if people want something they will pay any price for it. I can see that with cigarettes, which went from £5 to £7 for 20 in about 5 years mostly because of higher taxes but most people never quit because of price. 

I agree 100% that educating people, and more importantly people educating themselves can provide for better health without necessarily sacrificing enjoyment of food. 

Yep my family cook nearly everything from scratch and we could never go back to processed foods. We are working class as well, so it is certainly affordable. 



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SlayerRondo said:


Then why do people need to tax fast food more? Given that the stew option is so cheap (and for some people to time consuming) why don't people go for it if it's more healthy?

Because they Chose not to, simply as that. And if i choose to eat junk food and you choose to eat healthy that's fine. If i come crying to you some day if i eat to much that i need medical healp or something, tell me to fuck off.

If i want a candy bar and not an apple, that's my choice, not your's.

You're right, it is your choice.

Problem is however that you choose to eat like crap and get yourself totally unhealthy and I have to pick up the tab and pay $70/week for healthcare so you can keep eating garbage.

 

I wish we could just tell people who treat their bodies like shit to "fuck off", that way my rates might actually drop.

 

 

Edit - Just read your other reply to Kaz and it seems that while you like to eat garbage you actually agree with me.



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snyps said:

junk is edible but lacks nutrition.  Grape juice off the shelf is junk compared to grapes You juiced.  Fast food hamburgers (34% beef) are junk compared to meat You grind into burger.  Processed frozen microwave dinner is junk compared to high-temp short-time roasting.

 

make them all suffer by teaching them responsibility.

Or let them consume whatever they want because its their bodies. That sounds good to me.



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if you let kids chose they'll pick chocolate cake for dinner. They can't govern their own consumption junk. I do agree federal schools are a pitiful existence for children.

Nah, they would eat McDonalds or pizza and chase that with some chocolate cake.

I'm fine with letting kids eat what they want. I don't want to punish skinny kids from having a snack because of fatties.

At least they wouldn't get the bad food from a place that's funded by tax payers.

If you think kids will go to fast food chains, why are you against making it harder for them to eat unhealthy? Can you really not see the difference in offering a healthy option versus handing kids cholesterol on a silver plate?



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KungKras said:

At least they wouldn't get the bad food from a place that's funded by tax payers.

If you think kids will go to fast food chains, why are you against making it harder for them to eat unhealthy? Can you really not see the difference in offering a healthy option versus handing kids cholesterol on a silver plate?

Why do I care if they have bad food at a place funded by tax payers? I'm bothered schools are wasteful with tax payer money.

I have no desire in making laws on how people are allowed to eat. Especially at a place they're forcing kids to be at. There should be healthy options, that's where schools often fail. But this isn't about options, this is about letting laws strip away peoples rights.



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The law of product management: Cheap, fast, good. Pick 2.

Up until now, government schools always picked cheap and fast to save on money and effort. This mandate is for cheap and good, which involves more labor costs. In so many words, this is a mandate for a tax hike.

Really, the state of our cafeterias is deplorable. I work at the closest thing to a fine-dining restaurant my town can afford. My boss did his best to copy a 4-star restaurant menu and ambiance, repackaged it at a third the price, and while the menu is not quite that elaborate or complicated, he still basically succeeded. That's what private sector competition is all about.

My university cafeteria cooks what I would call "average" cafeteria food, but they charge $7 for the same buffet I could get for $4.50 at a local dive. They have no sense of competition.

Really want to give students better meals? Offer Subway a chance to cater food to the students on the taxpayers dime and have them compete with school cafeterias. You will see those cafeterias cooking some great, healthy food the next day.



Mr Puggsly said:
KungKras said:

At least they wouldn't get the bad food from a place that's funded by tax payers.

If you think kids will go to fast food chains, why are you against making it harder for them to eat unhealthy? Can you really not see the difference in offering a healthy option versus handing kids cholesterol on a silver plate?

Why do I care if they have bad food at a place funded by tax payers? I'm bothered schools are wasteful with tax payer money.

I have no desire in making laws on how people are allowed to eat. Especially at a place they're forcing kids to be at. There should be healthy options, that's where schools often fail. But this isn't about options, this is about letting laws strip away peoples rights.

You said yourself they they could just go to MacDonalds if they wanted to. Noone is taking away any rights. Also, if there only was one healthy alternative at the school, it would cost less than having all the options, and the costs of supplying bad food would be pushed into the private sector (which is what you want anyway, right?



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Egann said:
The law of product management: Cheap, fast, good. Pick 2.

Up until now, government schools always picked cheap and fast to save on money and effort. This mandate is for cheap and good, which involves more labor costs. In so many words, this is a mandate for a tax hike.

Really, the state of our cafeterias is deplorable. I work at the closest thing to a fine-dining restaurant my town can afford. My boss did his best to copy a 4-star restaurant menu and ambiance, repackaged it at a third the price, and while the menu is not quite that elaborate or complicated, he still basically succeeded. That's what private sector competition is all about.

My university cafeteria cooks what I would call "average" cafeteria food, but they charge $7 for the same buffet I could get for $4.50 at a local dive. They have no sense of competition.

Really want to give students better meals? Offer Subway a chance to cater food to the students on the taxpayers dime and have them compete with school cafeterias. You will see those cafeterias cooking some great, healthy food the next day.

Bold part is completely irrelevant because you can make healthy food both cheap and fast. And it goes against your point about subway, because Subway makes decent food both cheap and fast :P



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KungKras said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Why do I care if they have bad food at a place funded by tax payers? I'm bothered schools are wasteful with tax payer money.

I have no desire in making laws on how people are allowed to eat. Especially at a place they're forcing kids to be at. There should be healthy options, that's where schools often fail. But this isn't about options, this is about letting laws strip away peoples rights.

You said yourself they they could just go to MacDonalds if they wanted to. Noone is taking away any rights. Also, if there only was one healthy alternative at the school, it would cost less than having all the options, and the costs of supplying bad food would be pushed into the private sector (which is what you want anyway, right?

No, they can't just go to McDonalds. Maybe at some high schools that's an option.

I'd be fine with private sector companies peddling food to kids. I remember they used to sell Pizza Hut at my high school, it was great! But laws like this want to deter that.

Also, this doesn't stop at what kind of foods kids can eat. They also want to control the amount of calories they can eat. Once again, everyone being punished because of fatties.



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KungKras said:
Egann said:
The law of product management: Cheap, fast, good. Pick 2.

Up until now, government schools always picked cheap and fast to save on money and effort. This mandate is for cheap and good, which involves more labor costs. In so many words, this is a mandate for a tax hike.

Bold part is completely irrelevant because you can make healthy food both cheap and fast. And it goes against your point about subway, because Subway makes decent food both cheap and fast :P

If you think you can make cheap and fast food that's also healthy, start a fast food chain. You'll be a millionare overnight. Subway is neither particularly fast nor cheap, at least compared to bulk cafeteria fodder.

No, the real problem is that without competition there's no sense of efficiency and quality of service. Compared to what the free market offers, school cafeterias really offer terrible value despite having an advantage of producing in bulk and in controlled waves.

Of course, that's also true of schools as a whole. I went to private school for a while, and it barely was eking by on 2/3rds the tuition per student public schools get from taxes. School services don't have to compete with anything besides vending machines.