It looks like a hunk of plastic i would give to my kids so they would think they had a real controller

That dev loses all credibility for me just cause he calls the next gen: Gen 4. No matter wether i agree or not with what he is saying. Hes just a noob in my eyes.

I use right stick up or down instead X and Circle in GT5 when I use a controller... feels natural for me.

But I use a wheel in over 90% of the time... it is the best.

It was a Playstation fan that posted the article with a horrible thread title based entirely on opinion, perhaps you're quoting and arguing with the wrong people.  There is nothing fanboy like about wanting to be comfortable gaming and I do not find the stick position in the least bit compfrotable on the DS3 and I don't see the new layout fixing that for me.

I'll remember what you sad about rumble in the triggers being a gimmick, you'll probably regret that statement...

The angular aspect, the texture and visual quality of the plastic, the fact that there is (apparently) not some grip at the 2 ends of the controller.

I actually much prefer the Xbox One conrollers looks over the Dualshock 4.  It seems more seamless, it has a great flow to it and it has much better company branding.  I think it actually looks like better quality, although I'm sure both are great quality.

I think both controllers look like improvements over the PS3/360 controllers.

Its hard to say which is better though when we havent had the chance to play games with them. All we can say is that they are vast improvements.

Don't care who posted what. The thread, like all threads on this subject has moved on to the general arguement about which is better based on personal preference.

No, you are right, nothing fanboy at all about being confortable when gaming but how is the touch pad anything to do with comfort? Saying it is gimmick is a fanboy attitude.

You like your sticks to be misaligned so the controller doesn't hurt your hands (not sure how that works btw, if your right hand is fine with thumb down, why isn't your left?), fair enough, I don't like a controller the size of Wales so I can't even use it properly. But both controllers problems from generations before are meant to be looked into and 'sorted' to a point, 360 controller was for giants, Xbone one looks smaller, DS3 was for tiny people, DS4 looks bigger. Placement of where the analog stick is a stupid arguement.

Satirical comment that it was, I do think localised rumble is a nice idea however I think it rather mute as I forget rumble exists a lot of time while playing games. Why will I regret it? No... really don't think I will.

i think both, the xb1 and ps4 controller will be really awesome. i never liked the ds3 and everything i didn't like seems to be better now. xb1 controller has also some improvements like the rumble in the triggers or the back where you have more place for the fingers now. only thing i don't really like is that you need less force for the sticks now. i always liked it that you have to push little bit harder to move them and that is something i really disliked on the ds3.

will be interesting to test both but i believe i could like both pretty much the same this time.

dont take this the wrong way but several years ago people were modding 360 controlers to have giro sensor boards fitted so they could have the same motion sensing as the 6 axis ps3 controller, a gimmick you say but it was used in several early ps3 titles just no one really liked using it as for where the left alalogue  stick is placed is really quite a silly argument as the right stick is placed in the middle, i can already think of several bonuses of the touch pad suck as RTS games where a mouse controller could be used (you cant call a laptops touch pad a gimmick) or navigation through game menues or the ps4's dashboard.