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disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

No it isn't but...

Digital download game sharing with friends/family - exclusive on Xbox one

Unlimited digital download installs on as many consoles as you wish - exclusive on Xbox one

Digital download game trading with friends - exclusive on Xbox one

+ many more benefits to the interface and experience we  don't know about yet.

Yeah PS4 will do digital as well in a "me too" kind of way.  I really struggle to understand how people think that a company that is financially struggling and has 1/10th the digital resources of Microsoft will provide a comparable digital experience. Not to mention compete on the operating system and file system side, with eqaully good multitasking, apps, features etc...as something running Windows NT kernel.  

Ok, enough with making shit up. Where are you getting your facts from?

1. How does Sony has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? mind you Sony owns movie studios, music library, Cellphone, tablets, Cloud company ?

Please show me these facts.



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I didn't know about the website thing...I figured you had to call sony support. Fair enough... Still why am I deactivating things on a timed basis and keeping track who has my game, when I have a great internet connection and can verify in that manner.

As far as unlimited downloads, I see your point as well. So I can install a game on 3 consoles I may own, sisters console and a few friends...and then using the website I can switch the rights to the console I may want to use to play my game... If I'm visiting my sister, I can flip the switch there. If I'm at friends house, I can deactivate the sister and select my friends console. Still kind of crumbesome and it falls appart if its time restricted. 


No doubt, it is cumbersome and not something that seems like it was designed into the console.  And you're correct that being able to download your games onto other consoles and play them using your account no matter where you are would be useful at times.  Then again I think being able to do something that retail copies have always been able to do (play on any console without being tied to the machine) isn't a good tradeoff for losing the ability to buy a standard retail copy.

The 10 friends sharing thing is nice, and I can definitely see why some would enjoy it, but that's really the only benefit I've seen in XBOne's approach versus PS4's and I just don't think that benefit is worth the hassle.  

That said I work for a gaming website so I'll be getting both the consoles before too long.  



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psrock said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

No it isn't but...

Digital download game sharing with friends/family - exclusive on Xbox one

Unlimited digital download installs on as many consoles as you wish - exclusive on Xbox one

Digital download game trading with friends - exclusive on Xbox one

+ many more benefits to the interface and experience we  don't know about yet.

Yeah PS4 will do digital as well in a "me too" kind of way.  I really struggle to understand how people think that a company that is financially struggling and has 1/10th the digital resources of Microsoft will provide a comparable digital experience. Not to mention compete on the operating system and file system side, with eqaully good multitasking, apps, features etc...as something running Windows NT kernel.  

Ok, enough with making shit up. Where are you getting your facts from?

1. How does Sony has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? mind you Sony owns movie studios, music library, Cellphone, tablets, Cloud company ?

Please show me these facts.

Cloud company...yeah, you are confusing a company with video straming technology and basic cloud services as a company being able to provide cloud services on a grand scale.

5 biggest and best cloud services are Azure, AWS, HP, Rackspace and Google Cloud. They have like 90% of the cloud marketshare and traffic.  As of 2013, Azure tends to beat all other cloud services in speed and computing tests. iCloud runs on Azure, Netflix runs on Amazon WS...etc.

As far as rest, they have nothing to do with digital resources. They are content resources. If PS4 ran Android, you could argue that there are some digital resources that Sony could share between platforms.

And this is before we get in to the patents that both comanies have available to them for digital and cloud computing.



thx1139 said:

I for one and totally excited on the doubling down on digital. I look forward to pre-ordering a game and have it download to my Xbox One and then at 12:01AM when the game launches it being already installed and ready to go. Remember the download can be done in advance of the actual release and the game just not be able to run until the launch date. I look forward to my son away at school to use all the games we have at home and no arguments about purchasing multiple copies, about what games he takes to school and what stays home for his brothers and I to play, etc. etc.  

Sony already has all these features on PS3 and is looking to expand them on PS4. They are even looking into a way to allow you to trade/sell/action digital content. The digital world is a great future, but it is not something worth giving up your rights of ownership over.



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disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

No it isn't but...

Digital download game sharing with friends/family - exclusive on Xbox one

Unlimited digital download installs on as many consoles as you wish - exclusive on Xbox one

Digital download game trading with friends - exclusive on Xbox one

+ many more benefits to the interface and experience we  don't know about yet.

Yeah PS4 will do digital as well in a "me too" kind of way.  I really struggle to understand how people think that a company that is financially struggling and has 1/10th the digital resources of Microsoft will provide a comparable digital experience. Not to mention compete on the operating system and file system side, with eqaully good multitasking, apps, features etc...as something running Windows NT kernel.  

Ok, enough with making shit up. Where are you getting your facts from?

1. How does Sony has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? mind you Sony owns movie studios, music library, Cellphone, tablets, Cloud company ?

Please show me these facts.

Cloud company...yeah, you are confusing a company with video straming technology and basic cloud services as a company being able to provide cloud services on a grand scale.

5 biggest and best cloud services are Azure, AWS, HP, Rackspace and Google Cloud. They have like 90% of the cloud marketshare and traffic.  As of 2013, Azure tends to beat all other cloud services in speed and computing tests. iCloud runs on Azure, Netflix runs on Amazon WS...etc.

As far as rest, they have nothing to do with digital resources. They are content resources. If PS4 ran Android, you could argue that there are some digital resources that Sony could share between platforms.

And this is before we get in to the patents that both comanies have available to them for digital and cloud computing.

Once again, were are you getting that Sony only has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? I'm still waiting.

MS cloud computing is not just an xbox feature, it's been there just not as talked about as MS is currently doing. 

Content resources is what makes digital recources available. Without the content, you have no digital resources. And Sony is loaded with them. 

Apps, movies, tv, music, cloud computing, multitasking, game share, game upload, voice control,  Yeah not exclusives to the Xbox.



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psrock said:
disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

No it isn't but...

Digital download game sharing with friends/family - exclusive on Xbox one

Unlimited digital download installs on as many consoles as you wish - exclusive on Xbox one

Digital download game trading with friends - exclusive on Xbox one

+ many more benefits to the interface and experience we  don't know about yet.

Yeah PS4 will do digital as well in a "me too" kind of way.  I really struggle to understand how people think that a company that is financially struggling and has 1/10th the digital resources of Microsoft will provide a comparable digital experience. Not to mention compete on the operating system and file system side, with eqaully good multitasking, apps, features etc...as something running Windows NT kernel.  

Ok, enough with making shit up. Where are you getting your facts from?

1. How does Sony has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? mind you Sony owns movie studios, music library, Cellphone, tablets, Cloud company ?

Please show me these facts.

Cloud company...yeah, you are confusing a company with video straming technology and basic cloud services as a company being able to provide cloud services on a grand scale.

5 biggest and best cloud services are Azure, AWS, HP, Rackspace and Google Cloud. They have like 90% of the cloud marketshare and traffic.  As of 2013, Azure tends to beat all other cloud services in speed and computing tests. iCloud runs on Azure, Netflix runs on Amazon WS...etc.

As far as rest, they have nothing to do with digital resources. They are content resources. If PS4 ran Android, you could argue that there are some digital resources that Sony could share between platforms.

And this is before we get in to the patents that both comanies have available to them for digital and cloud computing.

Once again, were are you getting that Sony only has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? I'm still waiting.

MS cloud computing is not just an xbox feature, it's been there just not as talked about as MS is currently doing. 

Content resources is what makes digital recources available. Without the content, you have no digital resources. And Sony is loaded with them. 

Apps, movies, tv, music, cloud computing, multitasking, game share, game upload, voice control,  Yeah not exclusives to the Xbox.

Well for one I work with cloud services and know the juggernout Microsoft is in this area. Amazon and Microsoft tend to duke it out with rest getting the scrapps. I can't give you the actual figure but no one anywhere talks about Sony when it comes to cloud computing...

The real benefit of this "cloud computing" for xbox one is not processing power but availability. Microsoft is making it available and free for all devs to use their cloud servers. Sony is not doing this because they cant. They don't have the scale. Some games can use the same cloud computing features, but it won't be the standard...

Content resources are great to have but if you've looked at different digital outlets lately, the stuff Sony has is not exclusive to sony devices and platforms. They tend to go to all devices that have market penetration. I have the entire Sony catalogue of music at my fingertips on Xbox music. 



disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

 

Cl

As far as rest, they have nothing to do with digital resources. They are content resources. If PS4 ran Android, you could argue that there are some digital resources that Sony could share between platforms.

And this is before we get in to the patents that both comanies have available to them for digital and cloud computing.

Once again, were are you getting that Sony only has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? I'm still waiting.

MS cloud computing is not just an xbox feature, it's been there just not as talked about as MS is currently doing. 

Content resources is what makes digital recources available. Without the content, you have no digital resources. And Sony is loaded with them. 

Apps, movies, tv, music, cloud computing, multitasking, game share, game upload, voice control,  Yeah not exclusives to the Xbox.

Well for one I work with cloud services and know the juggernout Microsoft is in this area. Amazon and Microsoft tend to duke it out with rest getting the scrapps. I can't give you the actual figure but no one anywhere talks about Sony when it comes to cloud computing...

The real benefit of this "cloud computing" for xbox one is not processing power but availability. Microsoft is making it available and free for all devs to use their cloud servers. Sony is not doing this because they cant. They don't have the scale. Some games can use the same cloud computing features, but it won't be the standard...

Content resources are great to have but if you've looked at different digital outlets lately, the stuff Sony has is not exclusive to sony devices and platforms. They tend to go to all devices that have market penetration. I have the entire Sony catalogue of music at my fingertips on Xbox music. 

The reason MS brings out Cloud Computing so much is because they need to compete with the PS4. 

When Sony was asked about :"But what about Sony's next-gen machine? Sure, it can stream games via the cloud-powered Gaikai. But can it also follow Microsoft's step in offloading computation to the cloud? "Of course," Sony's Shuhei Yoshida said.

and: "We don't believe every title needs that," he said. "But if your title needs [an] online connection to provide some online features: Go for it."

The PS4 will be pwerful enough to not need Cloud but if a dev needs, they will have access. 




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psrock said:
disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

 

Cl

As far as rest, they have nothing to do with digital resources. They are content resources. If PS4 ran Android, you could argue that there are some digital resources that Sony could share between platforms.

And this is before we get in to the patents that both comanies have available to them for digital and cloud computing.

Once again, were are you getting that Sony only has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? I'm still waiting.

MS cloud computing is not just an xbox feature, it's been there just not as talked about as MS is currently doing. 

Content resources is what makes digital recources available. Without the content, you have no digital resources. And Sony is loaded with them. 

Apps, movies, tv, music, cloud computing, multitasking, game share, game upload, voice control,  Yeah not exclusives to the Xbox.

Well for one I work with cloud services and know the juggernout Microsoft is in this area. Amazon and Microsoft tend to duke it out with rest getting the scrapps. I can't give you the actual figure but no one anywhere talks about Sony when it comes to cloud computing...

The real benefit of this "cloud computing" for xbox one is not processing power but availability. Microsoft is making it available and free for all devs to use their cloud servers. Sony is not doing this because they cant. They don't have the scale. Some games can use the same cloud computing features, but it won't be the standard...

Content resources are great to have but if you've looked at different digital outlets lately, the stuff Sony has is not exclusive to sony devices and platforms. They tend to go to all devices that have market penetration. I have the entire Sony catalogue of music at my fingertips on Xbox music. 

The reason MS brings out Cloud Computing so much is because they need to compete with the PS4. 

When Sony was asked about :"But what about Sony's next-gen machine? Sure, it can stream games via the cloud-powered Gaikai. But can it also follow Microsoft's step in offloading computation to the cloud? "Of course," Sony's Shuhei Yoshida said.

and: "We don't believe every title needs that," he said. "But if your title needs [an] online connection to provide some online features: Go for it."

The PS4 will be pwerful enough to not need Cloud but if a dev needs, they will have access. 


I think the difference is MS will be providing the Cloud infrastructure with Azure for the developers to do this as well as new APIs in the Xbox One SDK to further take advantage of Azure services, new Azure services specifically created for Xbox One, etc. While Sony will likely tell developers go ahead and use cloud were not stopping you. Then developers will determine what cloud infrastructure to use. Some may use Azure (wouldnt that be funny), some will use Amazon, some Rackspace, etc. Some will simply have thier own server infrastructure and use those.  Basically MS is establishing standards and services for Xbox One games and Sony is saying were not stopping you from reaching out across the internet to do other things.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
psrock said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

 

Cl

As far as rest, they have nothing to do with digital resources. They are content resources. If PS4 ran Android, you could argue that there are some digital resources that Sony could share between platforms.

And this is before we get in to the patents that both comanies have available to them for digital and cloud computing.

Once again, were are you getting that Sony only has 1/10th of the digital resources MS has? I'm still waiting.

 

 

 

I think the difference is MS will be providing the Cloud infrastructure with Azure for the developers to do this as well as new APIs in the Xbox One SDK to further take advantage of Azure services, new Azure services specifically created for Xbox One, etc. While Sony will likely tell developers go ahead and use cloud were not stopping you. Then developers will determine what cloud infrastructure to use. Some may use Azure (wouldnt that be funny), some will use Amazon, some Rackspace, etc. Some will simply have thier own server infrastructure and use those.  Basically MS is establishing standards and services for Xbox One games and Sony is saying were not stopping you from reaching out across the internet to do other things.

Once again, Sony will be expending their cloud services as it's not clear how things will work. But I do know MS likes making things standards and Sony gives you choices. 

The advantage will be there early, but as usual Sony will catch up. But the cloud thing is not new nor exclusives, that's my point. It's just being expanded. But imagine having access to Uncharted 2 in my cellphone one day, thats the cloud I dream about. 



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disolitude said:
outlawauron said:
disolitude said:
bananaking21 said:
digital downloads - exclusive on xbox one

No it isn't but...

Digital download game sharing with friends/family - exclusive on Xbox one

Unlimited digital download installs on as many consoles as you wish - exclusive on Xbox one

Digital download game trading - exclusive on Xbox one

+ many more benefits we probably don't know about yet.

Yeah PS4 will do digital as well in a "me too" kind of way.  I really struggle to understand how people think that a company that is financially struggling and has 1/10th the digital resources of Microsoft will provide a comparable digital experience. Not to mention compete on the operating system and file system side, with eqaully good multitasking, apps, features etc...as something running Windows NT kernel.  

Those two are also on PS3 and will likely be carried over onto PS3 as well.

Will be interesting how you can trade digital games as I haven't read anything about it.


Digital "game sharing" on PS3 involves giving your gamertag to someone else, and having them download the game. Once they do this they can play the game using their gamer ID but the game is tied to the actual console hardware. This can only be done 2 times... Then you have to deal with de-activations. God forbid your console bricks and you can't deactivate. Youc ant share a game anymore.

Also unlimited digital downloads on consoles isn't possible. It was 5 consoles at a time, but its been changed to 2 at a time...

That's the exact same process for Xbone. Dealing with deactivations is very easy and can not done unlimited times thus unlimited downloads.

Also, still interested to see how trading digital games will work.



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