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betacon said:
Luiskpx said:
betacon said:
pbroy said:
KungKras said:

 

What MS is doing is pretty much the opposite of future-proofing.


So having your entire Xbox One library in the cloud is going backwards? How far backwards are we going? Are we going stone age backwards or "Hey Jesus, nice to meet you," backwards?

I would have thought having a free digital copy that you have access to anytime and anywhere, internet permitting and third world country permitting, would be going forward.

Free copy?

Yes, when you buy a physical copy you will only need it to sync the game with your account, after that you can download the game on any console with your account whenever you want. You can even burn the disc if you want

So not free? Just solves the problem of carrying a disc around... if it even was a problem.


For some people it might be a great thing, no risk of destroying the discs or something, if the drive fails you can still play the game, no need to change discs to play something else, I hope sony does this too :)



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betacon said:
Luiskpx said:
betacon said:
pbroy said:
KungKras said:

 

What MS is doing is pretty much the opposite of future-proofing.


So having your entire Xbox One library in the cloud is going backwards? How far backwards are we going? Are we going stone age backwards or "Hey Jesus, nice to meet you," backwards?

I would have thought having a free digital copy that you have access to anytime and anywhere, internet permitting and third world country permitting, would be going forward.

Free copy?

Yes, when you buy a physical copy you will only need it to sync the game with your account, after that you can download the game on any console with your account whenever you want. You can even burn the disc if you want

So not free? Just solves the problem of carrying a disc around... if it even was a problem.


It might be a problem when someone accidentally scratches your disc and it can't play it anymore. If someone steals your disc, guess what, they can't use it, unless they buy another license. 

It is free. Currently, when you buy a store copy, you don't get a digital copy also. You get no digital rights along with it. So if game is lost or whatnot, you lost that game forever.







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Yakuzaice said:
pbroy said:

So having your entire Xbox One library in the cloud is going backwards? How far backwards are we going? Are we going stone age backwards or "Hey Jesus, nice to meet you," backwards?

I would have thought having a free digital copy that you have access to anytime and anywhere, internet permitting and third world country permitting, would be going forward.

How exactly is it going forward when we already have that option with digital downloads?  Except without the mandatory online checks every day.

Ohhh.. I must have forgot to say, if you buy a store copy, you get it registered in your account as proof of purchase and you get digital rights to it also.







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If anything is going to stop being supported its PSN. MS makes more profit every quarter than Sony has made the last decade. I'm pretty confident MS isn't going to shut down the servers anytime soon. If they shut them down in 15 years I don't really give a shit. I don't play PS1 era games and if I did there are things called emulators.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
pbroy said:
soulsamurai said:
This just in.....Xbox: The Second Coming.... is not backwards compatible.


Either is PS4... What's your point? 

Before you say Gakai, that is playing streamed from a server. MS can do that too, if they choose. Personally I wouldnt use it, streaming video in HD is a bandwidth hog.


The Xbone is trying to phase out disc use even though it has the ability to use discs. The PS4 values discs and digital are secondary. Two different viewpoints.

Your probably right, but that has nothing to do with backwards compatibility.. :P







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pbroy said:

Ohhh.. I must have forgot to say, if you buy a store copy, you get it registered in your account as proof of purchase and you get digital rights to it also.

That still isn't any different.  This isn't a case of a blu-ray movie coming with an additional digital copy.  You get the digital rights and that is all.  It is just a different delivery mechanism.  Like how I can buy Starcraft II from Blizzard or Best Buy, either way I am basically getting a CD key to register.  There isn't a free digital version with the physical copy.  What you are buying is the digital copy.



pbroy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
pbroy said:


The Xbone is trying to phase out disc use even though it has the ability to use discs. The PS4 values discs and digital are secondary. Two different viewpoints.

Your probably right, but that has nothing to do with backwards compatibility.. :P


Thats probably why MS is telling people to ignore the Xbone and focus on the 360 if they want old games. LOL Their PR is killing me. 



tuscaniman99 said:
If anything is going to stop being supported its PSN. MS makes more profit every quarter than Sony has made the last decade. I'm pretty confident MS isn't going to shut down the servers anytime soon. If they shut them down in 15 years I don't really give a shit. I don't play PS1 era games and if I did there are things called emulators.

Do not confused MS the company with Xbox Live. MS is one of the richest companies in the world churning out billions every year, so much so that Bill Gates is trying to give it all away. Sony is no where near that level of wealth.

What you should compare is games divisions and while I don't have figures, I dang well know that a decade ago, MS were bleeding money while Sony were rolling in it.

You should play PS1 era games, PS1 and N64 gen was easily the best gen in my view.

 

 

Anyway back on subject, I understand where you are coming from except maybe it is MS who should be saying it. However I disagree. There was no issue ith DRM based around physical media before except for piracy and even then, people still steal digital copies of games. This move is guard against piracy and it's at the expense of the legitimate customer.

Also, you put in the opening post that you wish you didn't have to 'change disc' yet lst gen, X-box owners were saying this is fine (see FFXIII). Both null points as it doesn't really matter, people are usually right next to their consoles anyway, stop being lazy. :P



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pbroy said:
the2real4mafol said:
What's the point when you are not allowed to sell on your physical copy when you are finished?


What's the point when game developers shut down and we won't have a diversity of games to play besides EA and Activision games? Gamestop makes a killing off used games that they didn't even make. All they are is a glorified pawn shop who can make prices whatever they want, since buying up Funcoland. Gamestop could have changed things if they gave money back to devs for each re-sell.

This also goes out to the Ebay resellers, who are ruining the videogame market from legitimate gamers. They are buying up rare and special editions and launch consoles to sell for their own profit. Take the rare games out of their hands and they will have to finally get a real job, instead of playing the middleman.

That works the other way around too

On the other hand games are gonna be more expensive because of a lack of a second-hand market and the XB1 fee of used games. Meaning people could buy less games causing the companies to go down anyways.

Besides it's the companys job to make a quality product that gets people to buy it. Lot of good companies go down allready simply because people would rather buy DLC for the next Battlefield or CoD game than new games. Some people just can't afford to buy new games and DLC over and over. It's not even the issue of a real job for some but perceived value, like even if I have money to buy a game, I might not buy it if I consider I don't get my moneys worth.



Yakuzaice said:
pbroy said:

Ohhh.. I must have forgot to say, if you buy a store copy, you get it registered in your account as proof of purchase and you get digital rights to it also.

That still isn't any different.  This isn't a case of a blu-ray movie coming with an additional digital copy.  You get the digital rights and that is all.  It is just a different delivery mechanism.  Like how I can buy Starcraft II from Blizzard or Best Buy, either way I am basically getting a CD key to register.  There isn't a free digital version with the physical copy.  What you are buying is the digital copy.


You are buying the disc and the case, with a license. You are getting a free license or a free CD and case. You decide which one is free.

You are right about those other forms of media, but this hasn't been done before on a system wide method in home consoles. "Every Xbox One game you buy from day one will come with digital rights." There is no fragmentation where if they choose to have it or not. This is a benefit.







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