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Less choice is the future, great.

For me, it wouldn't make sense to buy digital. Why buy it and have nothing physical to show for it, when I can buy a store copy and get it converted digitally for free?

You're not buying a physical copy, you're buying an install disc. The only thing that has any value is the serial number on the disc, which can only swap hands for free one time, or be traded in at participating stores. (When you give a copy to someone, can they still trade it in? Edit: in the interview with major Nelson, that would be a no http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo&feature=player_embedded#t=334s)

You sound like they're doing us a favor like with movies. Blu-ray + dvd + ultraviolet copy, that's how you do it. Not lock the blu-ray to your account, make you jump through hoops to lend it out and require your player to check in every 24h.

They only thing MS is future proofing is consumers. Condition them to give up all their ownership rights and get locked in to a service.
So yes Microsoft is future proofing you with drm.



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richardhutnik said:

Several things:

* You do realize there is a risk of thinking "outside the box" in defense of a company, when this box you are outside of may end up being a box that doesn't even contain what the company you are defending is doing.

* Considering that One does NOT play 360 games, what guarantee do you have that Microsoft is going to enable the ONE content to be playable in the future?  As I have seen this generation unfold, and where we are now, Don Mattrick of Microsoft said backwards compatibility is "very backwards", and companies have repackaged and resold old content.  Sony even did this, and you get people on here cheering it on, saying it is awesome.  

* Companies make NOTHING off of enable people to play their old content.  They just end up allowing it so they don't get ticked off too soon.   So, unless you go with there being a library you pay an ongoing fee to access, it does NO financial good for a company to be able to allow you to keep content between generations.

In short, what I am seeing is you are dealing in a case of rationalizing of wishful thinking and trying to persuade others to agree with you on this.

And futureproofing?  I would say it is like waterproofing.  In both cases, what is the first sylable of the proof word is what is prevented.


360 retail games were really not future proofed. They didn't transfer over to digital from the retail disc. If you bought your game on the 360 digitally, you have future proofed it. It's always there on the cloud for you to download to any 360. Maybe in the future, to other consoles that have access to XBL and can play 360 games. Xbox One games have a digital license per retail copy sold. You are future proofing your game library on the cloud. They are doing it from day One. No fragmentation, it's universal.

What does the One not being able to play 360 games have to do with your One games not future proofed? The 360 can still play 360 games. They are 2 different consoles. MS isn't going to shut down the 360 digital games just because the One came out. If you really want to play your 360 games on your One, you probably can. Put the 360 in the HDMI IN input. Then you can play your games through the One with snap chat, snap Netflix, snap a One game beside it or whatever. Shoot, you can even play a PS3 or PS4 game on your One if you connect it this way.

If you don't trust MS to hold your licenses for you, then the Xbox One isn't for you. It's that simple. For me, I've been using my hotmail account attached to all my MS products (360, Windows 8, Windows Phone). I'm fine with MS managing that for me. I can log on to any Windows 8 PC, any 360, any Windows Phone with my one Microsoft account and download anything I have a license for.

When your physical media gets damaged, you lose it. A digital copy future proofs you from that. You will have access to your game still, at no additional charge, besides having an internet connection.

You don't have to like what MS is doing. I'm just trying to bring another perspective besides all of the hate shit going on in every other thread. People read things and get scared. It's all coming at them fast. Some people need to take a step back and breathe and try to think of the benefits for once.







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SvennoJ said:

Less choice is the future, great.

For me, it wouldn't make sense to buy digital. Why buy it and have nothing physical to show for it, when I can buy a store copy and get it converted digitally for free?

You're not buying a physical copy, you're buying an install disc. The only thing that has any value is the serial number on the disc, which can only swap hands for free one time, or be traded in at participating stores. (When you give a copy to someone, can they still trade it in? Or is it locked permanently for that too?)

You sound like they're doing us a favor like with movies. Blu-ray + dvd + ultraviolet copy, that's how you do it. Not lock the blu-ray to your account, make you jump through hoops to lend it out and require your player to check in every 24h.

They only thing MS is future proofing is consumers. Condition them to give up all their ownership rights and get locked in to a service.
So yes Microsoft is future proofing you with drm.

So you do agree with me, because that is exactly what the title says.

You choose your own future. If you don't want Microsoft to manage your rights, then that's your choice. They are locking you into their system, I never said otherwise.







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pbroy said:
SvennoJ said:

Less choice is the future, great.

For me, it wouldn't make sense to buy digital. Why buy it and have nothing physical to show for it, when I can buy a store copy and get it converted digitally for free?

You're not buying a physical copy, you're buying an install disc. The only thing that has any value is the serial number on the disc, which can only swap hands for free one time, or be traded in at participating stores. (When you give a copy to someone, can they still trade it in? Or is it locked permanently for that too?)

You sound like they're doing us a favor like with movies. Blu-ray + dvd + ultraviolet copy, that's how you do it. Not lock the blu-ray to your account, make you jump through hoops to lend it out and require your player to check in every 24h.

They only thing MS is future proofing is consumers. Condition them to give up all their ownership rights and get locked in to a service.
So yes Microsoft is future proofing you with drm.

So you do agree with me, because that is exactly what the title says.

You choose your own future. If you don't want Microsoft to manage your rights, then that's your choice. They are locking you into their system, I never said otherwise.

In that sense yes, but that future proofing is far from a positive for me.
And the only choice they give me is to not buy the system, since there is no choice on how to own your games.



pbroy said:

360 retail games were really not future proofed. They didn't transfer over to digital from the retail disc. If you bought your game on the 360 digitally, you have future proofed it. It's always there on the cloud for you to download to any 360. Maybe in the future, to other consoles that have access to XBL and can play 360 games. Xbox One games have a digital license per retail copy sold. You are future proofing your game library on the cloud. They are doing it from day One. No fragmentation, it's universal.

What does the One not being able to play 360 games have to do with your One games not future proofed? The 360 can still play 360 games. They are 2 different consoles. MS isn't going to shut down the 360 digital games just because the One came out. If you really want to play your 360 games on your One, you probably can. Put the 360 in the HDMI IN input. Then you can play your games through the One with snap chat, snap Netflix, snap a One game beside it or whatever. Shoot, you can even play a PS3 or PS4 game on your One if you connect it this way.

If you don't trust MS to hold your licenses for you, then the Xbox One isn't for you. It's that simple. For me, I've been using my hotmail account attached to all my MS products (360, Windows 8, Windows Phone). I'm fine with MS managing that for me. I can log on to any Windows 8 PC, any 360, any Windows Phone with my one Microsoft account and download anything I have a license for.

When your physical media gets damaged, you lose it. A digital copy future proofs you from that. You will have access to your game still, at no additional charge, besides having an internet connection.

You don't have to like what MS is doing. I'm just trying to bring another perspective besides all of the hate shit going on in every other thread. People read things and get scared. It's all coming at them fast. Some people need to take a step back and breathe and try to think of the benefits for once.

Several things:
1. How the heck do you know that XBOX ONE content in the future will be able to be played on future consoles of theirs?  If they don't, then there isn't much of an advantage here really long term.

2. As I said before, no one can see in to the future, so it is HIGHLY presumptive to do what you did with thiss.  You are grasping at straws and speculating best case scenarios which aren't showing signs of being.  YES, having digital copies of games is nice now, but the future?  So, in short, show some outside the box thinking that is based in reality, not hopeful speculation.  Base benefits on REALITY, not hopefulness.  LIke you can mention the ability to obtain a title a second time, if disk gets damaged, and also speak of the library feature for who you set up in your family plan.



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@pbroy:

1. thanks for responding initially I know you're a busy fanboy...

2. pbroy said "If you bought your game on the 360 digitally, you have future proofed it."
So you can play those games on the X1 that you bought digitally on the 360? Oh, you can't?!?!! A digital copy is not future proof. Get your head out of your but and stop talking poo poo.

2.a. buying a retail disc and installing it to your HDD as a digital license has nothing to do with "future proofing" your gaming collection as in 50 year people will be asking ps what? ms what?

2.b. the only games (based on current factual data) that are future proof are the disc based games for single player and LAN that don't require authentication. So in 50 years I can still play ANY ps4 game (If I live that long...) in single player/campaign mode or local/LAN with friends the same is not true with the x1 system. Even then I can currently play some 360 (and speculatively other console games) online for free with XBconnect.com or a similar service as long as LAN is enabled for that game. Even if it isn't I'm sure in the future it won't be too difficult to set up ps3/x3 online gaming servers.

3. pRboy said: "When your physical media gets damaged, you lose it. A digital copy future proofs you from that. You will have access to your game still, at no additional charge, besides having an internet connection."
-except for the normal charge of XBL... To be fair having your games backed up on the PR word play coined "cloud"*1 is a great benefit when your launch system fails or playing at a friend or whatever want to play on another console. It truly is an awesome feature! However, that has nothing to do with "future proofing the device/service" as that would mean it will be compatible with future gen devices.

4. While the OP (admin of something) IGNORANTLY*2 stated that it is future proofing "this or that" there are a lot of other considerations the OP did not take into account that would have an affect on future gen consoles/services. Mainly that in order for a game to be future proof there would need to be dedicated servers to compile the data remotely and stream it (or possible re-engineer the game[a lot less likely on any system] to run/ on a newer architecture) for it to be forward/future friendly. Neither console seems to have any service to provide such a feat currently. ps4 can stream ps3 or earlier games...and ms can remember what games u bought physically... both of which would be required for future proofing. Now either/or console could implement the other to enable this as a fully functional future proof method, and I think it might be easier for MS due to the DRM, but Sony already having the streaming/bw compat might easily say we know what games u bought last gen digitally... PC is superior with steam in the regard that for minimal cost per upgrade and major cost per major upgrade they can still play "last gen games" (probably a laughable comment to a PC gamer)

4. Sure enough Steam is more future proof than anything being done currently announced/revealed on the next gen consoles.
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*1 "The "CLOUD" is a PR stunt used by more than just the gaming industries to refer to servers that can process data as well as host data... subjectively it's not really any newer than AOL free month trials... So each console manufacturer has an army of servers to help do different stuff. That is not anything new or remarkable from the time of the internets... just a "hot word" used to confuse consumers into thinking its something other than a boring server that is hosting/recording/analyzing/processing data. When you look at it in that light its not really a hot ticket feature for either console, and both are basically doing the same thing.

*2 I do not mean to offend the OP (admin person), but if you look at the state of technology and where it is going the first post is ignoring a lot of key factors that most gamers know nothing about. So please don't ban me as ignorance is not an insult just a reference of knowledge which I think the OP lacked due to what new technologies are on the horizon and how much they will affect everything we think we know about computing data. I will find/provide links about nano-fiber or magneto-logic based CPU's upon request. Also I did not mean to say the OP was just plain ignorant, but short sighted(form of ignorance) in regards to the future of technology.

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Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date