By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Why is buying used games such a big deal nowadays?

Michael-5 said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Michael-5 said:

How many of those have gone debunk recently? Do you know if statistically more companies are going bust now then before? I can tell you that a lot of the bankrupt game companies on that list went bankrupt in the 1980's. Remember the big gaming crash of 83?

Also where the heck did you pay $70 for SNES games? SNES games were $40/$50 brand new, N64 games were $50 for the most part too. Nowadays a brand new game day 1 costs $60, and can have anything from $30-$80 of DLC.

$50 in 1996 is about $75 in todays currency, so you're right games are cheaper now, but not as much as you make it seem and when you factor in DLC, they really aren't.

Maybe it was NES.  I thought it was SNES, or both.  This was in Canada.  I used 1990 as the reference date to calculate inflation.

It's possible that they used tiered pricing and charged more for AAA titles, but I definitely saw games for $70.

As for stats around how many have went out of business recently - I don't have that information.  However, I have reviewed the financial statements of many video games companies, and many of them have lost money in recent years, even the big shops have had money-losing quarters.

 The entire video game value chain is flawed right now.

I definatly did not see SNES games sell for $60, and I have most of the expensive ones. Chrono Trigger was $50, Earthbound was $50, Tetris was $40....No games on a Nintendo console sold for over $50 until the Wii U, it marked a first for $60 games. The only time a game cost above $50 prior to now on a Nintendo console was if it came with a peripheral like a Super Scope or Wii Fit Board.

The number of debunk studios now, is much less then that in the 80's. You know what happened in the 80's? Games were cheap to produce, so we saw a lot of companies make utter crap, and the consumer just stopped playing. Competition is what makes games better, and there a lot more studios now then ever before, so we need to weed some out. It's sad that major studios like THQ have gone bust, but just like 3DO we will forget about them.

Plus it's not the smaller studios which compain about the used game market, it's mostly EA and Microsoft, and they are on top. EA is just plain greedy with online passes and exclusive rights to NFL, Porsche, etc. If you don't put the pressure on them after they keep making crappy games, then they'll just build a monopoly, and that will drive more studios out of buisness.


Actually SNES and Genesis games with large cartridges often sold for more than $50. The SNES port of SF2 went for $69.99 or more, Phantasy Star IV for Genesis was even more expensive. I remember my brother and I having to rent PSIV because my mother would pay that much for a game. This brings up another point. 

While games have a higher budgets now, the physical production costs are far cheaper now. Cartridgers were $25 or more depending on their capacity. Discs are less than $1 each. Game launches were riskier proposition during the cartridge era. If a publisher ordered 500,000 cartridges and their game sold 100,000 copies, they'd be looking at a 10 million dollar loss. Game publishers are using used games to divert attention away from their mismanagement.



Around the Network

Why can't gamers wait for the price of new game to drop instead of getting a used game. isn't the advantage of getting a used game is getting cheap? If that case why not wait a bit longer for the new game to drop in price. Is it really necessary to get the game as they arrive lol



Darc Requiem said:
Michael-5 said:

I definatly did not see SNES games sell for $60, and I have most of the expensive ones. Chrono Trigger was $50, Earthbound was $50, Tetris was $40....No games on a Nintendo console sold for over $50 until the Wii U, it marked a first for $60 games. The only time a game cost above $50 prior to now on a Nintendo console was if it came with a peripheral like a Super Scope or Wii Fit Board.

The number of debunk studios now, is much less then that in the 80's. You know what happened in the 80's? Games were cheap to produce, so we saw a lot of companies make utter crap, and the consumer just stopped playing. Competition is what makes games better, and there a lot more studios now then ever before, so we need to weed some out. It's sad that major studios like THQ have gone bust, but just like 3DO we will forget about them.

Plus it's not the smaller studios which compain about the used game market, it's mostly EA and Microsoft, and they are on top. EA is just plain greedy with online passes and exclusive rights to NFL, Porsche, etc. If you don't put the pressure on them after they keep making crappy games, then they'll just build a monopoly, and that will drive more studios out of buisness.


Actually SNES and Genesis games with large cartridges often sold for more than $50. The SNES port of SF2 went for $69.99 or more, Phantasy Star IV for Genesis was even more expensive. I remember my brother and I having to rent PSIV because my mother would pay that much for a game. This brings up another point. 

While games have a higher budgets now, the physical production costs are far cheaper now. Cartridgers were $25 or more depending on their capacity. Discs are less than $1 each. Game launches were riskier proposition during the cartridge era. If a publisher ordered 500,000 cartridges and their game sold 100,000 copies, they'd be looking at a 10 million dollar loss. Game publishers are using used games to divert attention away from their mismanagement.

Like what SNES games in particular? I think Donkey Kong Country Competition, and Star Fox Weekend sold for $60 new, and I don't remember SF2 costing that much. Are you talking about the price of the game new, or used years later on eBay?

As for the market, you're 100% right, I forgot about the cost of cartridges.

IMO studios like EA have no right to complain about used games, especially when they block competition by having exclusive rights to NFL, Porsche and such. NFS games nowadays, are crap, and so are a lot of EA games. If you can't make a profit off them, it's because you're making crap, and you shouldn't be. When I read about games which didn't turn a profit, it's 9/10 times a reboot of an old franchise, an old established IP which relied on name to sell, a "clone" of another established game, or just a bad game in general. I never see a good new original game make a loss. Dead Space, Vanquish, Catherine...they all sold meh, and made money.



What is with all the hate? Don't read GamrReview Articles. Contact me to ADD games to the Database
Vote for the March Most Wanted / February Results

dukerx2 said:
If you can't afford new games, find another hobby. In 10 years everything will be digital and the used game problem will be gone.


Yeh, I will throw out all my older games that I love and regularly replay, because a random person on the internet recommended me doing so.



My Etsy store

My Ebay store

Deus Ex (2000) - a game that pushes the boundaries of what the video game medium is capable of to a degree unmatched to this very day.

Used games aren't an issue. Not on the level which has seemingly taken the internet by storm over the last month.

Bad money management and piracy are are bigger reasons for games companies closing. Infact I think even the recent financial crisis is more reason for developers closing that Used games ever was.



Hmm, pie.

Around the Network
m0ney said:
dukerx2 said:
If you can't afford new games, find another hobby. In 10 years everything will be digital and the used game problem will be gone.


Yeh, I will throw out all my older games that I love and regularly replay, because a random person on the internet recommended me doing so.


Thats a nice spin you put on that. I didn't recommend anything and I don't care what you do with your older games. What im saying is; I think its insane that people go out a week after a game comes out and pay $50 for a used game they can just get brand new for $10 more. Then those same people bitch about not getting sequels to their 'favorite' games because they decided to give the money to gamestop  or whoever and not to the people who made it. You vote with your wallet. Ok look at it this way, would you buy a $400 cell phone or , even if you couldn't afford the monthly bill? No? Why would you buy a $400 video game system if you cant afford a $60 game once a month.



dukerx2 said:
Thats a nice spin you put on that. I didn't recommend anything and I don't care what you do with your older games. What im saying is; I think its insane that people go out a week after a game comes out and pay $50 for a used game they can just get brand new for $10 more. Then those same people bitch about not getting sequels to their 'favorite' games because they decided to give the money to gamestop  or whoever and not to the people who made it. You vote with your wallet. Ok look at it this way, would you buy a $400 cell phone or , even if you couldn't afford the monthly bill? No? Why would you buy a $400 video game system if you cant afford a $60 game once a month.


I agree and I'm not defending used games. I rarely buy used and when I do it's on ebay for <20 usd. But to me no game is worth 60 usd so I always wait till they drop to <30 usd. I don't care if I harm the industry that way, it's my money.



My Etsy store

My Ebay store

Deus Ex (2000) - a game that pushes the boundaries of what the video game medium is capable of to a degree unmatched to this very day.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-17-you-can-plug-an-xbox-360-into-the-xbox-one-says-major-nelson for xbox one compatibility



g911turbo said:

Has anyone ever stopped to consider that competition among developers has swelled to an INTENSE level? Think about how many different choices you have in any given genre (shooters especially)... of course it is becoming harder to make money in the industry because competition is fierce.

For all of those condemning used games... have you purchased every shooter made this generation, new? If not, shame on you for not supporting the industry. I can browse a gamestop, and half the titles I didn't even know EXISTED. But yeah, used games are the problem.

Its as if all these studios think it should be EASY to make money hand over fist. It's not. Not going to be.  Video gaming isn't your dirty little secret any more, or just for kids, but rather, a multi billion dollar industry that EVERYONE is trying to get a piece of.  Eliminating used games completely is not going to eliminate competition. In fact, people might start buying LESS new games and start dumping money into other forms of entertainment. Cell phone games. Movies. TV shows. Something outdoors **GASP.

If these studios want to make more money, they will have to be SMART with budgets etc.  And its not going to be easy.  Competition makes everything harder when you are tying to make a sale...

Don't normally quote myself, but yeah.  These studios need to suck it up.



Michael-5 said:
dukerx2 said:
If you can't afford new games, find another hobby. In 10 years everything will be digital and the used game problem will be gone.

That might make games cheaper.....LOL

From what some of my friends tell me, Microsoft is trying to immitate Steam, and steam sells brand new games for dirt cheap. Old ones too, I remember when I bough Fallout NV Ultimate Edition for $30 on 360 (new), it was $5 on a Steam summer sale.

The problem is, Microsoft is immitating Steam poorly, and until they prove that they can mimic Steam on price, and make "summer sales" of their own, the One will have a lot of problems.

Major Nelson, in an interview with Angry Joe says Microsoft DOES match Steam with summer sales and other promo periods.  Apparently Microsoft believes they have the sale side covered.