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Mmmfishtacos on 08 June 2013
Mr Puggsly said:

Its not just lower income families that rent. I rent because I don't really play games after I complete the campaign and few games are worth $60 to me. Take out the option of renting or buying used and I'll just wait for inevitable price cuts as will many consumers.

I like having the option to rent and buy used. But unfortunately that doesn't help the publishers that actually created the game.

 

"I own the disk and if I want to sell it give it or trade it I should be able to do so. It works that way with everything else we buy, why should games be any different."

With digital downloads, that's just the way it is. You generally can't sell, trade, or give digital downloads away.

The Xbox One may have physical discs you can buy from a retailer, but don't be fooled. The Xbox One is really a digital platform. The install disc just saves time compared to downloading.

For example, when I bought a physical copy of Left 4 Dead 2 on the PC I was given a license key and a disc. I could enter the license key into Steam and just download the game. The disc was however was an option for a faster install. Its no different with the Xbox One.

But we arn't talking about digital downloads, we are talking about a physical disk. Actual tangable property. This will not only kill used games but at the same time it will hurt new games sale. I use money from games that i don't want to keep in my collection to help fund the next game. I would be buying half the games i do in a year if i had to buy each and every one new. Yeah, i could wait. I do that now. But when i want a new game, and i got stuff that im not playing hanging aound I want those disk to have value. 



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scat398 on 08 June 2013
Mmmfishtacos said:
scat398 said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
scat398 said:
I think I'm just about at my wits end with all of these takers. An entire generation that wants everything for next to free and god forbid if you actually want to make a profit in this world. I hope ms just goes completely digital and I hope all the publishers just go digital as well and then free loaders of the world can sit and remember the days when they stole someone else's intellectual property copied it a million times and sent it all over the world and then had the nerve to ask the question, " why are you mad at me?"


Oh please, no one said anything about free. People are made because we bought it we should do what we want with it. And this has nothing to with pirating. 

Oh please yourself,  the whole "it's mine I bought it" is complete bs.  That's was never the intention of the market and now that they can finally handle the distribution of their product the way they want to all the takers are up in arms because reality has slapped them in the face.  Go digital once and for all and end the misery of the whiners of the world.

No it's not, I buy something it's mine. End of story. 

Oh don't worry there is an end to the story and its the reality that you clearly are not going to be happy with.



disolitude on 08 June 2013
tiffac said:
disolitude said:
Watched the video and at least he is presenting a coherent point of view, unlike some others...

But listen people, if you wanted the world to work like this guy says it should, you should have voted for communism or socialism as the governing rule of your country.

There is really no room for consideration when it comes to little Timmy and his poor family in capitalism. People do things for profit. Games get made for profit. Gamestop exists to make a profit...

Otherwise pretty much everything this guy is saying is going to contradict itself when next gen market doubles current gen sales, despite "DRM".


Oh no bro, socialism or communism is worse, it just looks equal on paper. The great electronic wall of China is the worlds biggest and baddest DRM you will ever see. Heck, we can't even call it DRM because you do not have any "rights" to begin with. Lol


China is a rough example but still isnt as bad as they make you believe over here.

A socialist place like Sweden on the other hand wouldn't let its people go around unable to buy a game or two because of DRM. :) 

Even Cuba is a nice place full of nice people... despite the years isolation, sanctions and overall poor living standards brought on by its northern neighbour. Castro took care of his people, the best he could...but they are not going to get any gaming down there, DRM free or otherwise.

I myself grew up in a socialist country and had we Atari2600 and Sega Mastery System same time as everyone else. It was awesome... but then we started killing each other.



BluGamer23 on 08 June 2013

disolitude said:
Watched the video and at least he is presenting a coherent point of view, unlike some others...

But listen people, if you wanted the world to work like this guy says it should, you should have voted for communism or socialism as the governing rule of your country.

There is really no room for consideration when it comes to little Timmy and his poor family in capitalism. People do things for profit. Games get made for profit. Gamestop exists to make a profit...

Otherwise pretty much everything this guy is saying is going to contradict itself when next gen market doubles current gen sales,despite "DRM".


"when next gen market doubles current gen sales"  <-- HAHAHA! OMG! .. like how the Vita is going to double the PSP?.. and the 3DS going to double the DS ?.. and the wiiU doubling the wii ??.. 

now you are saying Xbone is going to double 360 sales?.. or the PS4... LOL

come on dude.. this DRM can not be defended..  =)



 

 

Mr Puggsly on 08 June 2013
Mmmfishtacos said:

But we arn't talking about digital downloads, we are talking about a physical disk. Actual tangable property. This will not only kill used games but at the same time it will hurt new games sale. I use money from games that i don't want to keep in my collection to help fund the next game. I would be buying half the games i do in a year if i had to buy each and every one new. Yeah, i could wait. I do that now. But when i want a new game, and i got stuff that im not playing hanging aound I want those disk to have value. 

Its seems you ignored everything I said.

The disc is no longer your access to the game, its just an option for a faster install. Your license key is now the access to the game.

For what its worth, MS said publishers have the option to let the license owners share their games, gift their games, or trade them in.

Ultimately, going all digital doesn't mean this is the end of playing games cheap.



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tuscaniman99 on 08 June 2013

You know if you want to play games on the Xbox One but don't have much money you can wait till it's out on the market for a few years and pick it up for much cheaper. Also older games at that point would be cheap. Gaming is not a right, it is a luxury. If you can't afford it at launch then wait till price drops. I really hope we don't have to listen to this amount of whining for the next 4-5 months when the consoles release.



oniyide on 08 June 2013
tuscaniman99 said:
You know if you want to play games on the Xbox One but don't have much money you can wait till it's out on the market for a few years and pick it up for much cheaper. Also older games at that point would be cheap. Gaming is not a right, it is a luxury. If you can't afford it at launch then wait till price drops. I really hope we don't have to listen to this amount of whining for the next 4-5 months when the consoles release.


No, they cant, thats the point. YOu wait a few years and what happens when the servers go down? WHat then. YOu pretty much have a brick console.



oniyide on 08 June 2013
scat398 said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
scat398 said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
scat398 said:
I think I'm just about at my wits end with all of these takers. An entire generation that wants everything for next to free and god forbid if you actually want to make a profit in this world. I hope ms just goes completely digital and I hope all the publishers just go digital as well and then free loaders of the world can sit and remember the days when they stole someone else's intellectual property copied it a million times and sent it all over the world and then had the nerve to ask the question, " why are you mad at me?"


Oh please, no one said anything about free. People are made because we bought it we should do what we want with it. And this has nothing to with pirating. 

Oh please yourself,  the whole "it's mine I bought it" is complete bs.  That's was never the intention of the market and now that they can finally handle the distribution of their product the way they want to all the takers are up in arms because reality has slapped them in the face.  Go digital once and for all and end the misery of the whiners of the world.

No it's not, I buy something it's mine. End of story. 

Oh don't worry there is an end to the story and its the reality that you clearly are not going to be happy with.

So... you buy everything new? How about your house? Or your car? Do you have either of those? Cause if you do and you didnt buy them new, then that makes you a hypocrite. Hell what about those hundred dollar school books?



tiffac on 08 June 2013
disolitude said:
tiffac said:
disolitude said:
Watched the video and at least he is presenting a coherent point of view, unlike some others...

But listen people, if you wanted the world to work like this guy says it should, you should have voted for communism or socialism as the governing rule of your country.

There is really no room for consideration when it comes to little Timmy and his poor family in capitalism. People do things for profit. Games get made for profit. Gamestop exists to make a profit...

Otherwise pretty much everything this guy is saying is going to contradict itself when next gen market doubles current gen sales, despite "DRM".


Oh no bro, socialism or communism is worse, it just looks equal on paper. The great electronic wall of China is the worlds biggest and baddest DRM you will ever see. Heck, we can't even call it DRM because you do not have any "rights" to begin with. Lol


China is a rough example but still isnt as bad as they make you believe over here.

A socialist place like Sweden on the other hand wouldn't let its people go around unable to buy a game or two because of DRM. :) 

Even Cuba is a nice place full of nice people... despite the years isolation, sanctions and overall poor living standards brought on by its northern neighbour. Castro took care of his people, the best he could...but they are not going to get any gaming down there, DRM free or otherwise.

I myself grew up in a socialist country and had we Atari2600 and Sega Mastery System same time as everyone else. It was awesome... but then we started killing each other.

Oh they don't need to tell me I've lived in China, nice people but if your not a Han citizen then your 3rd class citizen. (Unless your a Foreign student, tourist or investor). Their economic growth is fueled by the people who works in the factories for lower than normal wages and some of them are not exactly safe for your health. No instant access to social media becaused its blocked and although there is gaming, its looked upon as an illness given by the west and is only useful if used for propaganda. Although I enjoyed my stay in China, there are just somethings that will raise your eye brows which would have already caused controversy or discussion in a Democratic nation.

and I just realized I'm so off topic right now -slumps head on table- I will leave you guys be now.



disolitude on 08 June 2013
BluGamer23 said:

disolitude said:
Watched the video and at least he is presenting a coherent point of view, unlike some others...

But listen people, if you wanted the world to work like this guy says it should, you should have voted for communism or socialism as the governing rule of your country.

There is really no room for consideration when it comes to little Timmy and his poor family in capitalism. People do things for profit. Games get made for profit. Gamestop exists to make a profit...

Otherwise pretty much everything this guy is saying is going to contradict itself when next gen market doubles current gen sales,despite "DRM".


"when next gen market doubles current gen sales"  <-- HAHAHA! OMG! .. like how the Vita is going to double the PSP?.. and the 3DS going to double the DS ?.. and the wiiU doubling the wii ??.. 

now you are saying Xbone is going to double 360 sales?.. or the PS4... LOL

come on dude.. this DRM can not be defended..  =)

Youre right, DRM really can't be defended, but its here and life goes on...

I for one see lots of benefits for digital only gaming as Ive been doing it since 2008 on the PC. I understand that in order for these advantages to happen, DRM has to exist, and it really doesnt change anything for me... I also understand that some people do not want digital, or havent see the advantages yet and find DRM unnecessary or intrusive. Those people may still get a next gen console which offers the traditional gaming experience (PS4). I hope they do get it and are happy with it...and I hope the prejeduce and constant negativity towards people who are happy with th Xbox One dies down. 

In terms of sales, these consoles won't double their predecessor sales because of DRM, or even their gaming prowessnes...but because they will attract new customers by offering additional functionality that is outside the spectrum of gaming.

This is something PSVita failed to do since its a standalone gaming handheld in a world of gaming smartphones.  Sony should sell more high end Xperia smartphones this year than PSVitas btw...imagine Vita sales if it catered to both markets.