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Xenostar said:
disolitude said:
Xenostar said:
disolitude said:
Watched the video and at least he is presenting a coherent point of view, unlike some others...

But listen people, if you wanted the world to work like this guy says it should, you should have voted for communism or socialism as the governing rule of your country.

There is really no room for consideration when it comes to little Timmy and his poor family in capitalism. People do things for profit. Games get made for profit. Gamestop exists to make a profit...

Otherwise pretty much everything this guy is saying is going to contradict itself when next gen market doubles current gen sales, despite "DRM".


I think youll find our goverments are Democratic, not capatalist. And as a Democracy it is made up of parts Captalist, Socialist and many others. His points are extremly valid. I may get band for this but i really pity you and anyone that think making a buck is more important than doing what is morally or socially responsible.  

And I really pitty you if you think that providing cheap videogames for everyone is a moral and social responsibility.

No i believe letting companies steam roll over your consumer rights because your rich enough that it doesnt effect you in this case is socially irresponcible, lets just hope a right you do care about isnt taken away from you one day. If your defending MS and xbox one cos yoru a fanboy just say so, but dont try and defend the errosion of people rights. 

People who buy games dont have to be "rich enough"  to do so but  intelligent enough to be able to live within their means and include gaming as one of their hobbies. And if they really can't afford them, they are probably better off...as they will do something productive with their life. I mean look at this guy who shot this video. Videogames clearly ruined his life.

As far as me being a fanboy, peoples consumer rights and all the other stuff you said after...is just nonsence that makes you look like a hypocrite.  You are getting worked up and attacking other members around here because they don't have your point of view about the future videogames. Youre actually stepping on my own consumer right to buy what I want  by telling me not to buy the Xbox...

The bottom line is that I'm not telling anyone to buy an Xbox. Go buy a console of your choice and mind your own business. I plan to do the same.



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I'm not sure what that tubby is really arguing.

You don't need used games to play games cheap. You can either wait for price cuts or take advantage of low cost digital options.

I'm regularly seeing quality digital download games being heavily discounted on the 360.

One of the best options for consumers with little money is PSN+.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of cheap digital options on the Xbox One and PS4 as well. Especially in this world with free to play games.

The demand for used games isn't proof the economy is struggling. Its proof people will buy games cheaper if its an option and nothing more.

If this guy is so concerened about the video game industry, why is he encouraging people to buy used and rent?

Gamestop might rip people off when it comes to buying their used video games. But they actullay help the gaming industry by pushing new software and hardware.



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Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not sure what that tubby is really arguing.

You don't need used games to play games cheap. You can either wait for price cuts or take advantage of low cost digital options.

I'm regularly seeing quality digital download games being heavily discounted on the 360.

One of the best options for consumers with little money is PSN+.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of cheap digital options on the Xbox One and PS4 as well. Especially in this world with free to play games.

The demand for used games isn't proof the economy is struggling. Its proof people will buy games cheaper if its an option and nothing more.

If this guy is so concerened about the video game industry, why is he encouraging people to buy used and rent?

Gamestop might rip people off when it comes to buying their used video games. But they actullay help the gaming industry by pushing new software and hardware.

No he is encouraging for people to buy new. But understands many younger gamer and gamers for lower income families rent and buy used to save money. On top of that, a lot of time when i buy a 60 dollar game it's because i traded insome other stuff to help discount that game. Giving more money to the developers, and then someone else that can't afford a game brand new can go buy my old games. It's a cycle, and you’re taking a cog out of the gear by cutting out used games, loaning and renting.  Besides at the end of the day, I own the disk and if I want to sell it give it or trade it I should be able to do so. It works that way with everything else we buy, why should games be any different.



I think I'm just about at my wits end with all of these takers. An entire generation that wants everything for next to free and god forbid if you actually want to make a profit in this world. I hope ms just goes completely digital and I hope all the publishers just go digital as well and then free loaders of the world can sit and remember the days when they stole someone else's intellectual property copied it a million times and sent it all over the world and then had the nerve to ask the question, " why are you mad at me?"



scat398 said:
I think I'm just about at my wits end with all of these takers. An entire generation that wants everything for next to free and god forbid if you actually want to make a profit in this world. I hope ms just goes completely digital and I hope all the publishers just go digital as well and then free loaders of the world can sit and remember the days when they stole someone else's intellectual property copied it a million times and sent it all over the world and then had the nerve to ask the question, " why are you mad at me?"


Oh please, no one said anything about free. People are made because we bought it we should do what we want with it. And this has nothing to with pirating. 



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I like this guy.



disolitude said:
Watched the video and at least he is presenting a coherent point of view, unlike some others...

But listen people, if you wanted the world to work like this guy says it should, you should have voted for communism or socialism as the governing rule of your country.

There is really no room for consideration when it comes to little Timmy and his poor family in capitalism. People do things for profit. Games get made for profit. Gamestop exists to make a profit...

Otherwise pretty much everything this guy is saying is going to contradict itself when next gen market doubles current gen sales, despite "DRM".


Oh no bro, socialism or communism is worse, it just looks equal on paper. The great electronic wall of China is the worlds biggest and baddest DRM you will ever see. Heck, we can't even call it DRM because you do not have any "rights" to begin with. Lol



Mmmfishtacos said:
scat398 said:
I think I'm just about at my wits end with all of these takers. An entire generation that wants everything for next to free and god forbid if you actually want to make a profit in this world. I hope ms just goes completely digital and I hope all the publishers just go digital as well and then free loaders of the world can sit and remember the days when they stole someone else's intellectual property copied it a million times and sent it all over the world and then had the nerve to ask the question, " why are you mad at me?"


Oh please, no one said anything about free. People are made because we bought it we should do what we want with it. And this has nothing to with pirating. 

Oh please yourself,  the whole "it's mine I bought it" is complete bs.  That's was never the intention of the market and now that they can finally handle the distribution of their product the way they want to all the takers are up in arms because reality has slapped them in the face.  Go digital once and for all and end the misery of the whiners of the world.



Mmmfishtacos said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I'm not sure what that tubby is really arguing.

You don't need used games to play games cheap. You can either wait for price cuts or take advantage of low cost digital options.

I'm regularly seeing quality digital download games being heavily discounted on the 360.

One of the best options for consumers with little money is PSN+.

I'm sure we'll see plenty of cheap digital options on the Xbox One and PS4 as well. Especially in this world with free to play games.

The demand for used games isn't proof the economy is struggling. Its proof people will buy games cheaper if its an option and nothing more.

If this guy is so concerened about the video game industry, why is he encouraging people to buy used and rent?

Gamestop might rip people off when it comes to buying their used video games. But they actullay help the gaming industry by pushing new software and hardware.

No he is encouraging for people to buy new. But understands many younger gamer and gamers for lower income families rent and buy used to save money. On top of that, a lot of time when i buy a 60 dollar game it's because i traded insome other stuff to help discount that game. Giving more money to the developers, and then someone else that can't afford a game brand new can go buy my old games. It's a cycle, and you’re taking a cog out of the gear by cutting out used games, loaning and renting.  Besides at the end of the day, I own the disk and if I want to sell it give it or trade it I should be able to do so. It works that way with everything else we buy, why should games be any different.

Its not just lower income families that rent. I rent because I don't really play games after I complete the campaign and few games are worth $60 to me. Take out the option of renting or buying used and I'll just wait for inevitable price cuts as will many consumers.

I like having the option to rent and buy used. But unfortunately that doesn't help the publishers that actually created the game.

 

"I own the disk and if I want to sell it give it or trade it I should be able to do so. It works that way with everything else we buy, why should games be any different."

With digital downloads, that's just the way it is. You generally can't sell, trade, or give digital downloads away.

The Xbox One may have physical discs you can buy from a retailer, but don't be fooled. The Xbox One is really a digital platform. The install disc just saves time compared to downloading.

For example, when I bought a physical copy of Left 4 Dead 2 on the PC I was given a license key and a disc. I could enter the license key into Steam and just download the game. The disc was however was an option for a faster install. Its no different with the Xbox One.



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scat398 said:
Mmmfishtacos said:
scat398 said:
I think I'm just about at my wits end with all of these takers. An entire generation that wants everything for next to free and god forbid if you actually want to make a profit in this world. I hope ms just goes completely digital and I hope all the publishers just go digital as well and then free loaders of the world can sit and remember the days when they stole someone else's intellectual property copied it a million times and sent it all over the world and then had the nerve to ask the question, " why are you mad at me?"


Oh please, no one said anything about free. People are made because we bought it we should do what we want with it. And this has nothing to with pirating. 

Oh please yourself,  the whole "it's mine I bought it" is complete bs.  That's was never the intention of the market and now that they can finally handle the distribution of their product the way they want to all the takers are up in arms because reality has slapped them in the face.  Go digital once and for all and end the misery of the whiners of the world.

No it's not, I buy something it's mine. End of story.