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S.T.A.G.E. on 31 May 2013
ironman said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

I think he's referring to the non-gaming audience MS is focusing so much attention on. That 37 minutes of that whole presentation was for non-gamers.

Which was brilliant. MS is stepping up the marketing strategy they had with the 360. The press release was not for the benefit of gamers. Obviousloy enybody with a brain knows that the One will play games...it is a game console after all. No, they wanted to highlight the features that would appeal to softcore gamers, and people who don't game because there is a lot there that appeals to those groups. I suspect E3 will highlight the gaming side. After all, why bore softcore/non-gamers with games when you can highlight the revolutionary aspects of the new AIO media center. And why bore the hard core gamers  at E3 with stuff they don't care about? Having two press conferences taylored to two demographics of people within two weeks of each other is a stroke of marketing genious. As for the Samsung TV, it will serve a niche market. Smart TVs have been out for a while, but their functionality has not been up to par with add on devices like Roku and media PCs. Furthermore, I do not suggest anybody buy a smart TV for the "smart" capabilities as the tech used is often outdated within a few months of reaching the market, the UIs tend to be clunky, and cumbersome, and it is far more likely that an external device will receive updates, as well as far cheaper to replace an external device than a Smart TV. In the end, the Samsung TV won't even make a dent in the Xbox One's sales.

 

On a side note, I was talking to YoJohn the other night about the future of gaming. I could see it going to the cloud, as TVs become smarter, internet becomes more availible and cheaper, and online storage/cloud computing becomes larger and more powerful, all the TV would need is a rudimentary firmware that allowed it acess the cloud. All the processing, graphics, and memory would be computed in the cloud leaving virtually no work for the TV. But we are not there yet, and may not be next gen either. As for physical media, I don't think it will ever go away, there will always be demand for it. As such, it will evolve into more memory on smaller more efficient devices. 


The Xbox one must primarily gain the interest of non-gamers for games first. The Kinect sold because they marketed the games to casuals everywhere possible in the states. The Xbox One is primarily a videogame console and a TV that does the primary Kinect functions might present a problem for MS. It doesn't matter if a technie buys a Xbone out of curiousity, the casuals will flock to the games, even if its one or two of them. The settop box isnt enough.



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walsufnir on 31 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
yo_john117 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Its not hate, I am just pointing out the efficient nature of a product that is really taking things forward. TV's connecting to the internet make more sense than a set top box that does. Matters not that it plays games if you're pandering to casuals.

Why? They both make plenty of sense. It's especially handy with the snap feature in The One. I can be playing a game, and if I ever get stuck I can quickly snap Youtube or internet and see how to do that part without any effort. It's all perfectly seemless and there's nothing wrong with that at all.


Thats awesome for a gamer, but for a casual the efforts of MS might get cut from the TV alone. All they need to do is make a Blu Ray smart TV and Sony and MS are both screwed when it comes to casuals. True all in one devices tend to take over, because the mass audiences likes simpler use, which is why IPads and tablets are going to continue to outsell portable PCs. They are on their way to dominant numbers even through 2015 according to a news report I heard earlier.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tablets-expected-to-outsell-pcs-by-2015-2013-05-28

People want the All-in-One solution especially in America. It might help the Xbox become more appealing, but the Xbox wont draw as many people as they hope for if Samsung stands in the way. If Samsung can make people question Apple MS is no problem at all.


Yes, but: Samsung is only one TV-manufacturer and people don't buy new TVs that often. Also Samsung implements this stuff in their most expensive line of TVs. It's definitely not for the casuals (by now).



S.T.A.G.E. on 31 May 2013
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yes, but: Samsung is only one TV-manufacturer and people don't buy new TVs that often. Also Samsung implements this stuff in their most expensive line of TVs. It's definitely not for the casuals (by now).


Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015. They are at 66 million now according to reports. The prices of the TV's are becoming more affordable. They are actually doing rather well despite what you're saying and with the possibilities of what the Kinect does with voice recognition coupled with camera gesture response.

http://news.yahoo.com/smart-tv-sales-soared-2012-set-dominate-tv-124535219.html



walsufnir on 31 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yes, but: Samsung is only one TV-manufacturer and people don't buy new TVs that often. Also Samsung implements this stuff in their most expensive line of TVs. It's definitely not for the casuals (by now).


Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015. They are at 66 million now according to reports. The prices of the TV's are becoming more affordable. They are actually doing rather well despite what you're saying and with the possibilities of what the Kinect does with voice recognition coupled with camera gesture response.

http://news.yahoo.com/smart-tv-sales-soared-2012-set-dominate-tv-124535219.html


- Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015.

Did you ever use it? Really, it is mostly crap. Apps don't work, videos are stuttering, "games" are bs...

And yes, they are doing well but this doesn't contradict my points. But we will see how it turns out - it's of no use to predict how or if one TV-manufacturer will steal the show from Xbone.



S.T.A.G.E. on 31 May 2013
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yes, but: Samsung is only one TV-manufacturer and people don't buy new TVs that often. Also Samsung implements this stuff in their most expensive line of TVs. It's definitely not for the casuals (by now).


Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015. They are at 66 million now according to reports. The prices of the TV's are becoming more affordable. They are actually doing rather well despite what you're saying and with the possibilities of what the Kinect does with voice recognition coupled with camera gesture response.

http://news.yahoo.com/smart-tv-sales-soared-2012-set-dominate-tv-124535219.html


- Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015.

Did you ever use it? Really, it is mostly crap. Apps don't work, videos are stuttering, "games" are bs...

And yes, they are doing well but this doesn't contradict my points. But we will see how it turns out - it's of no use to predict how or if one TV-manufacturer will steal the show from Xbone.


1/3 of my gamer friends have smart TV's, and the only ones who ignore the apps are the gamers because of the console experience. I am thinking about getting one myself. 



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walsufnir on 31 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yes, but: Samsung is only one TV-manufacturer and people don't buy new TVs that often. Also Samsung implements this stuff in their most expensive line of TVs. It's definitely not for the casuals (by now).


Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015. They are at 66 million now according to reports. The prices of the TV's are becoming more affordable. They are actually doing rather well despite what you're saying and with the possibilities of what the Kinect does with voice recognition coupled with camera gesture response.

http://news.yahoo.com/smart-tv-sales-soared-2012-set-dominate-tv-124535219.html


- Smart TV's will have sold 141 million by 2015.

Did you ever use it? Really, it is mostly crap. Apps don't work, videos are stuttering, "games" are bs...

And yes, they are doing well but this doesn't contradict my points. But we will see how it turns out - it's of no use to predict how or if one TV-manufacturer will steal the show from Xbone.


1/3 of my gamer friends have smart TV's, and the only ones who ignore the apps are the gamers because of the console experience. I am thinking about getting one myself.


All of my gamer-friends have smart TVs and noone uses it because it is absoultey crap. Buy yourself one and test it yourself - it is of no use to most people. The interfaces are bad, apps are slow (Samsung has dual-cores by now in *TVs* to solve this issue) and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example.



S.T.A.G.E. on 31 May 2013
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

1/3 of my gamer friends have smart TV's, and the only ones who ignore the apps are the gamers because of the console experience. I am thinking about getting one myself.


All of my gamer-friends have smart TVs and noone uses it because it is absoultey crap. Buy yourself one and test it yourself - it is of no use to most people. The interfaces are bad, apps are slow (Samsung has dual-cores by now in *TVs* to solve this issue) and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example.


My friend just got like a 60 inch smart tv and before he got his PS3, he was using netflix on the TV just fine.

 

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walsufnir on 31 May 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
 


All of my gamer-friends have smart TVs and noone uses it because it is absoultey crap. Buy yourself one and test it yourself - it is of no use to most people. The interfaces are bad, apps are slow (Samsung has dual-cores by now in *TVs* to solve this issue) and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example.


My friend just got like a 60 inch smart tv and before he got his PS3, he was using netflix on the TV just fine.


Read what I wrote: "and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example."

 

Also, read this: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2413565,00.asp  and http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/12/internet-tv-sucks/

But anyway, Smart-TVs will never make the Xbox One useless.



S.T.A.G.E. on 31 May 2013
walsufnir said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
walsufnir said:
 


All of my gamer-friends have smart TVs and noone uses it because it is absoultey crap. Buy yourself one and test it yourself - it is of no use to most people. The interfaces are bad, apps are slow (Samsung has dual-cores by now in *TVs* to solve this issue) and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example.


My friend just got like a 60 inch smart tv and before he got his PS3, he was using netflix on the TV just fine.


Read what I wrote: "and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example."

 

Also, read this: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2413565,00.asp  and http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/12/internet-tv-sucks/

But anyway, Smart-TVs will never make the Xbox One useless.


You're right...they wont make the Xbox 360 useless if people want it for games, even casual ones. MS will definitely be showing those Kinect launch titles at E3. Their case for gamers is always so simple, but their fight for non-gamers continues and its barely even against Nintendo and Sony to be honest.



OdinHades on 31 May 2013
walsufnir said:
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All of my gamer-friends have smart TVs and noone uses it because it is absoultey crap. Buy yourself one and test it yourself - it is of no use to most people. The interfaces are bad, apps are slow (Samsung has dual-cores by now in *TVs* to solve this issue) and the content is mostly nonsense if it's not the typical lovefilm-app, for example.


Aside from gaming, we don't know yet for sure if Xbox One is any better. :P

Also, Samsung already sells TVs with Quad-Cores. The functionality can also improve with firmware updates. I think Smart TVs might do pretty decent until Xbox One shows up. But as I said, we'll have to wait and see what happens. It's impossible to predict right now. I still think it would be smart for Microsoft to concentrate on gaming and not advertise those TV features too much. 



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