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KylieDog said:
Multimedialover said:
KylieDog said:


...and you really think people want an extra huge box sitting in their living room, when they going to need their cable box still.  They will pay for the real all in ONE device.


I work for Sky in the UK. Sky are currntly creating an app for Xbox One using th SkyGo service ( which soon will have everything ) so you will be abel to gt HD Sky viia the app on XboxOne which completely negats the need for a Sky box. 360 already has this. But on Xbox One its being designed to wok as you saw it in the live reveal. Instant switching, Xbox One Tvguide etc. And Snap n out. 

You ill not need to have the set top box if you don want to. 

My guess isMicrosoft have included the set top box function on Xbox One to cater for everyone. 

See 360 in the UK to see a gimpse of wat is to come.

If yo want o Xbox One is all yo will need.

Virgin SKys competitor is also making an Xbox One app fo the sam reason. 

Your TV will come down your Broadband as it does with the current Xbox 360.


1. Completely ignoring freeview
2. Skyplayer on 360 is shit, half the weekly content is missing, many movies shown on TV are missing and the majority of channels completely absent.  Of the channels that are working, most of them disable during re-runs of shows and sometimes even new shows.
3. Claiming knowledge of rival companies now too, sounds like BS.

Sky does not have the licensing to show via app and streaming most of what they have the rights to show on TV.  In addition, there are still many people with net speeds not even good enough to stream in HD or even high quality, and while streaming the odd movie and TV is fine if you try and replace the entire TV usage with streaming then an ISP will throttle you like is no tomorrow.


I think that was the point when he said they were making a new Sky app, this is not about the existing app.  Sky Go is always expanding their capabilities so I wouldn't bet against HD streaming being a reality for them, especially seeing as not everyone has a shit internet connection like lots of people seem to think on this site.  Seems like HD streaming would be a huge selling point for Sky's fibre to the cabinet broadband service and a perfect answer to BT's move towards offering streaming services as a selling point for their FTTC solutions.

It's probably very likely that Virgin will be ahead of Sky on this front as they were when it came to providing DVR boxes and internet and TV services in one package.  They are a very innovative company really, especially if you consider they hit the 100Mbps mark way before BT.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mad55 said:

Man the amount of hate lol.


Its not hate, I am just pointing out the efficient nature of a product that is really taking things forward. TV's connecting to the internet make more sense than a set top box that does. Matters not that it plays games if you're pandering to casuals.

Why? They both make plenty of sense. It's especially handy with the snap feature in The One. I can be playing a game, and if I ever get stuck I can quickly snap Youtube or internet and see how to do that part without any effort. It's all perfectly seemless and there's nothing wrong with that at all.



yo_john117 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mad55 said:

Man the amount of hate lol.


Its not hate, I am just pointing out the efficient nature of a product that is really taking things forward. TV's connecting to the internet make more sense than a set top box that does. Matters not that it plays games if you're pandering to casuals.

Why? They both make plenty of sense. It's especially handy with the snap feature in The One. I can be playing a game, and if I ever get stuck I can quickly snap Youtube or internet and see how to do that part without any effort. It's all perfectly seemless and there's nothing wrong with that at all.


Thats awesome for a gamer, but for a casual the efforts of MS might get cut from the TV alone. All they need to do is make a Blu Ray smart TV and Sony and MS are both screwed when it comes to casuals. True all in one devices tend to take over, because the mass audiences likes simpler use, which is why IPads and tablets are going to continue to outsell portable PCs. They are on their way to dominant numbers even through 2015 according to a news report I heard earlier.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tablets-expected-to-outsell-pcs-by-2015-2013-05-28

People want the All-in-One solution especially in America. It might help the Xbox become more appealing, but the Xbox wont draw as many people as they hope for if Samsung stands in the way. If Samsung can make people question Apple MS is no problem at all.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
yo_john117 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its not hate, I am just pointing out the efficient nature of a product that is really taking things forward. TV's connecting to the internet make more sense than a set top box that does. Matters not that it plays games if you're pandering to casuals.

Why? They both make plenty of sense. It's especially handy with the snap feature in The One. I can be playing a game, and if I ever get stuck I can quickly snap Youtube or internet and see how to do that part without any effort. It's all perfectly seemless and there's nothing wrong with that at all.


Thats awesome for a gamer, but for a casual the efforts of MS might get cut from the TV alone. All they need to do is make a Blu Ray smart TV and Sony and MS are both screwed when it comes to casuals. True all in one devices tend to take over, because the mass audiences likes simpler use, which is why IPads and tablets are going to continue to outsell portable PCs. They are on their way to dominant numbers even through 2015 according to a news report I heard earlier.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tablets-expected-to-outsell-pcs-by-2015-2013-05-28

People want the All-in-One solution especially in America. It might help the Xbox become more appealing, but the Xbox wont draw as many people as they hope for if Samsung stands in the way. If Samsung can make people question Apple MS is no problem at all.

I'd agree with that. That's why in the future I expect to see consoles start to be put into TV's. In fact 15-20 years from now I don't think we'll even be seeing optical drives in things anymore. I don't think there will be anything after Blu-ray.



KylieDog said:
NobleTeam360 said:
400-500 Xbox that has multiple uses or 1500 to 2000 TV with limited function? I'll take the Xbox.


Thing is, the TV will work without an Xbox, the Xbox won't work without a TV.

It is more realistic someone who needs a TV will go buy this TV than go buy one without that function and then buy a XBone.

My Xbox comes with a kinect and I can buy a good HDTV for 300-400 and that shouldn't even count because who doesn't have a TV if your buying a console?



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Darth Tigris said:
VGKing said:
As more and more people have smart TVs, the main selling point of the Xbox One will become irrelevant. In fact, even smart TVs themselves don't even need apps. Who wants to use Facebook on the big screen?


You know, you really need to back off.  I'm not the reporting type, but you're becoming more blatant and it's getting really old here.  

OT:  No.  Just no.  This thread should've been locked.

I have no idea what you're talking about.



NobleTeam360 said:
KylieDog said:
NobleTeam360 said:
400-500 Xbox that has multiple uses or 1500 to 2000 TV with limited function? I'll take the Xbox.


Thing is, the TV will work without an Xbox, the Xbox won't work without a TV.

It is more realistic someone who needs a TV will go buy this TV than go buy one without that function and then buy a XBone.

My Xbox comes with a kinect and I can buy a good HDTV for 300-400 and that shouldn't even count because who doesn't have a TV if your buying a console?

I think he's referring to the non-gaming audience MS is focusing so much attention on. That 37 minutes of that whole presentation was for non-gamers.



yo_john117 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
yo_john117 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Its not hate, I am just pointing out the efficient nature of a product that is really taking things forward. TV's connecting to the internet make more sense than a set top box that does. Matters not that it plays games if you're pandering to casuals.

Why? They both make plenty of sense. It's especially handy with the snap feature in The One. I can be playing a game, and if I ever get stuck I can quickly snap Youtube or internet and see how to do that part without any effort. It's all perfectly seemless and there's nothing wrong with that at all.


Thats awesome for a gamer, but for a casual the efforts of MS might get cut from the TV alone. All they need to do is make a Blu Ray smart TV and Sony and MS are both screwed when it comes to casuals. True all in one devices tend to take over, because the mass audiences likes simpler use, which is why IPads and tablets are going to continue to outsell portable PCs. They are on their way to dominant numbers even through 2015 according to a news report I heard earlier.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/tablets-expected-to-outsell-pcs-by-2015-2013-05-28

People want the All-in-One solution especially in America. It might help the Xbox become more appealing, but the Xbox wont draw as many people as they hope for if Samsung stands in the way. If Samsung can make people question Apple MS is no problem at all.

I'd agree with that. That's why in the future I expect to see consoles start to be put into TV's. In fact 15-20 years from now I don't think we'll even be seeing optical drives in things anymore. I don't think there will be anything after Blu-ray.


Yeah, Blu Ray is most likely the last format you'll ever see. Thank goodness Sony pushed it or else we would be stuck with DVD-9 last gen. I can barely watch normal DVD's anymore. People might as well go digital after this but they need a unit with large storage capacity.



yo_john117 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Mad55 said:

Man the amount of hate lol.


Its not hate, I am just pointing out the efficient nature of a product that is really taking things forward. TV's connecting to the internet make more sense than a set top box that does. Matters not that it plays games if you're pandering to casuals.

Why? They both make plenty of sense. It's especially handy with the snap feature in The One. I can be playing a game, and if I ever get stuck I can quickly snap Youtube or internet and see how to do that part without any effort. It's all perfectly seemless and there's nothing wrong with that at all.


Vita does that already! :P

But seriously, I think people underestimate Samsung quite a bit. They are by far the most powerful tech company today. Brand recognition is a key factor in the industry and Microsoft is in a bad position when it comes to this. Think about it, there are endless people with Galaxy Phones, if only 10 % of them are attracted to a Samsung Smart TV, sales are gonna be huge. They sell way way more units than Microsoft does with the 360. In just 4 years they more than tripled sales of the Xbox. And that's not counting Tablets and other devices like Galaxy Note or Galaxy Camera. Just the mainline from Galaxy S to Galaxy S4. 

Now, Microsoft on the other hand doesn't attract consumers at all recently. Windows Phone struggles to keep up with Blackberry and only got ahead of Bada and Symbian, because those systems are dead and no more devices with those systems are produced. Windows 8 didn't sell all that well and nobody wants it. Windows RT is a joke, nobody buys it. 

So there are likely far more people considering a Samsung Smart TV than there are people looking for a new Xbox. Granted, it's a wild guess and I could be wrong, but Samsung is one of the biggest players when it comes to TVs and I think they know what they're doing. Sadly, sales of TVs are not tracked as far as I know so we'll never know for sure. 

Especially in europe people will struggle to see any advantages from Xbox One, as it is common around here that the TV-receiver is built right into the TV. With such a setup, you can't even use the TV features from Xbox One, as most TVs don't have a HDMI-Out. Besides, the TV features are not even yet announced for europe. Until they arrive, Microsoft will be far behind of the competition - again. I think we don't even need to talk about Japan.

So the US of A really is the only market that could be attracted by all those TV features. Everything else can be done by virtually any other device. The whole internet stuff can be done by an android Box that you can get right now for no more than 50 €. No need to buy a Xbox One for that. That's why I think Microsoft should really focus on games, it's the key selling factor for the Xbox, not Kinect, not TV. Those a just features most people won't use anyway. It's just somewhat silly to rely so heavy on them. What games Microsoft has in the pipeline remains to be seen. But Sony seems to be doing everything right as of late so they are in for some serious challenge. 

At the very least, this year should become very interesting for gamers. This is not intended to be a bash post by the way. I can't deny I'm a little Pro Sony but I don't hate the Xbox. It's just that Microsoft as a company is always just playing catching up with the competition if you ask me. They lack true innovation, something you can't get anywhere else. But in the end, I hope for success for the Xbox One because it's the competition that drives this industry.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

I think he's referring to the non-gaming audience MS is focusing so much attention on. That 37 minutes of that whole presentation was for non-gamers.

Which was brilliant. MS is stepping up the marketing strategy they had with the 360. The press release was not for the benefit of gamers. Obviousloy enybody with a brain knows that the One will play games...it is a game console after all. No, they wanted to highlight the features that would appeal to softcore gamers, and people who don't game because there is a lot there that appeals to those groups. I suspect E3 will highlight the gaming side. After all, why bore softcore/non-gamers with games when you can highlight the revolutionary aspects of the new AIO media center. And why bore the hard core gamers  at E3 with stuff they don't care about? Having two press conferences taylored to two demographics of people within two weeks of each other is a stroke of marketing genious. As for the Samsung TV, it will serve a niche market. Smart TVs have been out for a while, but their functionality has not been up to par with add on devices like Roku and media PCs. Furthermore, I do not suggest anybody buy a smart TV for the "smart" capabilities as the tech used is often outdated within a few months of reaching the market, the UIs tend to be clunky, and cumbersome, and it is far more likely that an external device will receive updates, as well as far cheaper to replace an external device than a Smart TV. In the end, the Samsung TV won't even make a dent in the Xbox One's sales.

 

On a side note, I was talking to YoJohn the other night about the future of gaming. I could see it going to the cloud, as TVs become smarter, internet becomes more availible and cheaper, and online storage/cloud computing becomes larger and more powerful, all the TV would need is a rudimentary firmware that allowed it acess the cloud. All the processing, graphics, and memory would be computed in the cloud leaving virtually no work for the TV. But we are not there yet, and may not be next gen either. As for physical media, I don't think it will ever go away, there will always be demand for it. As such, it will evolve into more memory on smaller more efficient devices. 



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