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sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:
Panama said:
Well those 15 Kinect launch exclusives a few years back certainly turned a few heads.


at least they managed to turn a few heads rather than being completely ignored..


Thats a marketing argument not a game development argument. Its totally agreeable that Sony is terrible at marketing. They put out so many products they can barely market them all. Imagine their marketing during the PS2 era? Point made. The Eyetoy wasn't even seen by the masses even though Sony started the motion control trend in 2004. They had a couple commercials but in truth it was weak commercialization for a product that had the potential to expand the market further than 200 million+ consoles. Microsoft puts out a few products that they put their marketing dollars behind.


That is a marketing argument and a sales argument....based on obvious sales data (both hardware AND software) and userbase (since you generally have to cut the move sales more then in half to get the user base number). Hence the "being completely ignored"...relative to kinect.


Im not arguing with this. My point is if Sony focused on the casual games more they would've expanded the gaming  industry before Nintendo did. Thats my point. 



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:
Panama said:
Well those 15 Kinect launch exclusives a few years back certainly turned a few heads.


at least they managed to turn a few heads rather than being completely ignored..


Thats a marketing argument not a game development argument. Its totally agreeable that Sony is terrible at marketing. They put out so many products they can barely market them all. Imagine their marketing during the PS2 era? Point made. The Eyetoy wasn't even seen by the masses even though Sony started the motion control trend in 2004. They had a couple commercials but in truth it was weak commercialization for a product that had the potential to expand the market further than 200 million+ consoles. Microsoft puts out a few products that they put their marketing dollars behind.


That is a marketing argument and a sales argument....based on obvious sales data (both hardware AND software) and userbase (since you generally have to cut the move sales more then in half to get the user base number). Hence the "being completely ignored"...relative to kinect.


Im not arguing with this. My point is if Sony focused on the casual games more they would've expanded the gaming  industry before Nintendo did. Thats my point. 

Well if "if's and but's were candy and nuts......"



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sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:


Im not arguing with this. My point is if Sony focused on the casual games more they would've expanded the gaming  industry before Nintendo did. Thats my point. 

Well if "if's and but's were candy and nuts......"


Well they did so its not an if when it comes to development, but rather a marketing one. 



Wright said:
Zappykins said:

"Final Fantasy 13 must stay a PS3 exclusive like it was originally planned"

...

Devil May Cry 4 also got a petition like this. Only it didn't get that many signs.

Oh, bless their little angry hearts.

(I'm having way too much fun finding annimated GIFs.)



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

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S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:

Well either that or some of the Move games are simply bad.

Wonderbook received A LOT of advertising over the holidays.

Actually the Move is the most accurate device i've used out of the lot of them. The problem with it is I dont think Sony takes casual games seriously. They've been developing casual games since 2001 and compared to their competition for motion control and it seems like it doesnt matter to them. The Move games have the capacity to be more sophisticated than the Kinect and the Wii, because its both combined therefore realizing Sonys dream of a game thats attainable for casuals that plays like a core title. The problem is they dont treat their casual games very well.

I don't disagree, but I think they were too late to the party.  If they had brought it out close to when the Wii came out, it might have sold really well.  But they were so late, and Kinect was the new 'Wii' when it came out.  But to me, and many other consumers, Move  looks like an HD Wii.  While Kinect, was new, daring, different and ‘sparkly.’

Now, Kinect 2.0, looks like it might solve many of the ordinals problems. I’m wondering if a new ‘Star Wars’(wishing)  and “Disneyworld Adventures’(expecting) are in the works.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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No, sony has been praised by several developers with respect to the part, and wont have the drm, or at least it shouldnt be as likely.



Zappykins said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kowenicki said:
 

Well either that or some of the Move games are simply bad.

Wonderbook received A LOT of advertising over the holidays.

Actually the Move is the most accurate device i've used out of the lot of them. The problem with it is I dont think Sony takes casual games seriously. They've been developing casual games since 2001 and compared to their competition for motion control and it seems like it doesnt matter to them. The Move games have the capacity to be more sophisticated than the Kinect and the Wii, because its both combined therefore realizing Sonys dream of a game thats attainable for casuals that plays like a core title. The problem is they dont treat their casual games very well.

I don't disagree, but I think they were too late to the party.  If they had brought it out close to when the Wii came out, it might have sold really well.  But they were so late, and Kinect was the new 'Wii' when it came out.  But to me, and many other consumers, Move  looks like an HD Wii.  While Kinect, was new, daring, different and ‘sparkly.’

Now, Kinect 2.0, looks like it might solve many of the ordinals problems. I’m wondering if a new ‘Star Wars’(wishing)  and “Disneyworld Adventures’(expecting) are in the works.

 


Yeah, Sony had been developing the Move since 2004, which was shown in the developer doc's they put out. They thought the concept of just camera gaming was too limited and pointless outside of simple recognition. Their game development needs to be spruced up and they need to reach outside of first party to make sure top games come to Kinect to make it more appealing. After that no one would be able to hang with them on that court. The Move will still be more powerful than the Kinect 2.0. Theres no need for them to revamp the Move controller. If Sony had Ryse, it would've been out long ago because the tech would've worked and proven Sonys theory that Camera alone tech isn't intuitive enough to work by itself. Ryse was pushed back for that reason because it was Microsofts only chance to prove to core camers that they werent lying to them that Kinect could be for the core. It's still a failure in that technical respect, but I loved the Kinect only for Dance Central, so I used to just call it the Dance Central box after a while. Microsofts woes are never marketingwise, I'll give them that for sure, I wish Sony had a shred of their marketing prowess. Then again, at the same time I wish MS made games on a developmental scale like Sony so its apples and oranges, really. 

Kinect 2.0 won't solve many problems only a small portion of them that demanded a bit more power. Sony explain long ago why on a technical level camera gaming isnt credible for the type of games they wanted to make.



Zappykins said:
Wright said:
Zappykins said:

"Final Fantasy 13 must stay a PS3 exclusive like it was originally planned"

...

Devil May Cry 4 also got a petition like this. Only it didn't get that many signs.

Oh, bless their little angry hearts.

(I'm having way too much fun finding annimated GIFs.)


Here you go, for when you need 'em:

 



 



There afraid it will be better than what PS4 has to offer.



Jega said:
There afraid it will be better than what PS4 has to offer.